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Astronaut says aliens have visited earth.

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http://news.aol.com/article/astronaut-says-aliens-have-visited-earth/437766?icid=main|hp-laptop|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fastronaut-says-aliens-have-visited-earth%2F437766

Has he lost it?

Actually I believe it is quite possible other life forms exist. NOt sure if they have visited yet or not.

Perhaps Barack Obama can tell us since he has no problem releasing secrets.

Transparency in government should include these types of things.
 

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I think that Astronaut was deprived of oxygen while he was up there.

Seriously I have looked at studies regarding alien life forms visiting our planet and the chance of that ever happening are astronomical at best.
 

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Ricky said:
Perhaps Barack Obama can tell us since he has no problem releasing secrets.
LOL. Ain't that the truth...
 

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Ricky said:
Actually I believe it is quite possible other life forms exist. NOt sure if they have visited yet or not.

They have visited. I run into aliens almost every day.



Cheers!
 

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Lisa Nowak, the third wheel astronaut who hurriedly drove from Houston to Orlando wearing diapers, illustrated how astronauts are not immune to irrationalities; and Ed Mitchell illustrates how the fact someone may have walked on the moon does not instill immunity from gullibilities and magical-thinking tendencies. There is an perpendicular, orthogonal relationship between intelligence and beliefs which results in many otherwise smart individuals holding patently erroneous beliefs.

The basis for Ed Mitchell to believe extraterrestrial aliens are visiting Earth is his belief of a government cover-up at Roswell. There was a cover-up, indeed, but not the one he desires. It was better to let the public's imagination run silly wild about little greens aliens than for the Russians to know we were testing nuclear explosion detection devices. A sober point about Roswell is people didn't start "remembering" memories of Roswell until the 1980's, 40 years after the fact, the same length of time people started to "remember" Jesus. (The very first recollection did not occur until 1978, almost 31 years later.) From what science knows about the frailities, distortions, and confabulations of human memory, all accounts can be safely disregarded as false memories.
 

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http://www.presidentialufo.com/ufo_coverup.htm

That link has a good write up for why the US government is hiding the truth about aliens.

France and Mexico have already admitted to extra terrestrials being real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQH7qJDgcpc

Also after the fall of communism in Russia this video was purchased and released.

Sure its possibly just a Cold War era propaganda film in that maybe the Russians faked it to make the American government think they had extra terrestrial technology as part of the ongoing nation vs. nation scare campaign propaganda but maybe just maybe its footage of an unexpected event the Russians simply took footage of for posterity.

It hasn't been proven to be a hoax after a very long time in that it has not been proven to be a fake set up movie studio created video and the film quality is in line with the time it would've taken place.

So you guys can keep your heads in the sand if you like but as for me I'm keeping an open mind about this.

Even if everything is a lie and just propaganda to keep the wraps on secret aircraft the US government is creating itself the likelyhood of us being alone in the universe is very ridiculously small and its far more likely there are other sentient beings out there in the galaxy somewhere be it far far away or closer than we think.
 

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The "footage" came from the TNT Special "Secret KGB UFO Files." James Osberg, CSICOP fellow and former NASA engineer, opined:
Cautious skepticism [is] especially called for when you read the "fine print" disclaimers. At the beginning of the show a big message flashed up: "What you are about to see may or may not be true." And at the end, two screens full of warning messages were even more to the point. One paragraph read: "The Producers disclaim and do not guarantee the accuracy or truthfulness [of] any of the documentation or materials that have been provided by any source... The materials and opinion presented on this program including documents, film, photo, or video footage come from the sources and are not the responsibility of the Producers... This production is produced solely for entertainment purposes only and no other use is authorized."

They couldn't have been more explicit in their announcement that the whole series of episodes about the recovery of a crashed flying saucer in 1969 near Sverdlovsk, and a subsequent autopsy (following which three of the four medical workers die the same day from "cerebral hemorrhages") was a made-up story with posed footage (as with the infamous Roswell autopsy, these scenes involved motion picture film but never showed any still photographers getting high-quality imagery), "hidden camera" views of the purchase of top-secret confirmatory documents ($10,000 cash changing hands), and a string of sincere but typical self-deluded Russian UFOlogists to vouch for the story.

(source)
It hasn't been proven to be a hoax after a very long time...
The authenticity has not been verified. It would certainly surprise the KGB. According to Vladimir Kryuchkov, retired KGB chief of twenty years, during an unrelated interview:
We have never received any proof whatsoever that UFOs or other supernatural phenomena actually exist. The authorities asked me many times to prove or refute reports of this or that inexplicable incident on the planet. Most frequently, I received requests concerning UFOs and yetis, the “snow people.” I would commission our best specialists and agents to find out where the reports that worried society so much, came from. In the end it always turned out to be pure imagination. Sometimes an ignorant observer would interpret an unfamiliar phenomenon in a mystical way, sometimes a perfectly ordinary event would be called supernatural, to make news. Often the people would add that the KGB knew about the supernatural phenomenon, but wanted to keep it secret.

With full responsibility I have to state — never, ever, during the long period of my work with the intelligence service, was anything really supernatural spotted, either in Russia or in any other country. When I say “other country,” I rely on information from the highest officials, military, research, and of course the intelligence agencies of foreign states. The point is, in every “important” country, presidents, prime ministers and secret service chiefs requested investigations into resident abnormal incidents. And in every case, in each country, competent people would give one and the same answer — no. I have personally read copies of these reports. I finally came to the conclusion that, for better or for worse, there is nothing supernatural on the Earth.

(source)
Although famed paranormal investigator James Randi quickly noted: "To the believers, all this will only be proof that Kryuchkov has been ordered to dis-inform the media and perpetuate the mythology they so much need and cherish. It was ever thus..." Randi has a term for believers: unsinkable rubber ducks.
 

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"To the believers, all this will only be proof that Kryuchkov has been ordered to dis-inform the media and perpetuate the mythology they so much need and cherish. It was ever thus..." Randi has a term for believers: unsinkable rubber ducks."

Sometimes Randi and others go too far with their skepticism and it thus becomes a faith based skepticism which is not logical.

Proper skepticism says "its certainly possible but I don't think its very likely".

Faith based ego invested skepticism says things like the Randi quote I bolded of yours just now and the irony of course being that Randi and fellow over the top skeptics need and cherish their skepticism so much they will actively take a position of disbelief rather than the open minded "I don't know" approach or the approach of "its possible but I don't think its likely".

I wonder what Randi and the hardcore skeptics think about the U.S government wanting to sentence Gary Mckinnon to 70 years of his life in prison for his hacking crimes while they only gave Kevin Mitnick a slap on the wrist when he did much more hacking than Gary did and both men endangered national security.

So yeah its interesting they want to throw the book at the guy who found out the US government was lying about extra terrestrials and the other guy who did far more hacking damage who also endangered national security is let off with a slap on the wrist.

Hmmm maybe there was something to be said for Mitnick not going after information on extra terrestrials like Gary did?

I mean if all this UFO stuff is just bullsh!t why do they want to lock Gary up and throw away the key over bullsh!t?

Hell offer him a job at protecting the government network instead of making him rot in prison.

The point though is they want to send a message to all other truth seekers out there.

Don't do what Gary did or you'll go to prison maybe for 120 years!
 

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They're Real!

Guys, how many times do I have to tell you? These thing are real!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS0fITkrgGg

Now I'm sure all you guys are gonna pop off about "oh, why would a super advanced race of extraterrestrials capable of interstellar travel need to sneak into anyone's house?!"

One simple answer: BEER!

Think about it. It's a long ass way back to whatever unpronounceable planet these guys came from right? Like you wouldn't make a beer run if you knew the next liquor store was 50 thousand light years away? And where'd they find this little guy? That's right, in the kitchen, looking for brew. They can't buy it! They got no funds. They don't even have clothes, where's he gonna keep wallet if he had one?

Guys, there's nothing to be afraid of, they just want to get their drink on before a road trip. That's why you should always keep an extra 40 on hand just in case - especially if you live in the middle of nowhere like a desert in New Mexico or Nevada. That's what I've been doing ever since I caught one rooting through my liquor cabinet at 3am.
 

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Ah, the proverbial invoking of the word "faith." There are two different types of "faith" and can be found within the difference between assumptions and presumptions. Assumptions are blind faith without evidence and presumptions are conclusions based upon the preponderance of available evidence. It should be duly noted James Randi (and Carl Sagan) have never said extraterrestrial aliens categorically do not exist and have affirmatively expressed concurring with the statistical liklihood of life existing somewhere elsewhere in the universe, but such is a completely different and almost--note I say almost--unrelated issue than if aliens have/are visiting Earth. The chances of aliens coming over to party--'cuz they don't have Van Gogh pomegranate vodka--are one of out many billions.

In the relationship between believers and skeptics, the burden of proof first rests upon claimants to prove their claim of existence and it's only when the burden of proof has been satisified does the burden shift to skeptics, in a tennis game of sorts. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Applying Occam's Razor dictates you must first rule out mundane down-to-earth explanations before you can justfiably reach for out-of-this-world explanations, and, to wit, thus far the naturalistic explanations have always won and the extraterrestrial evidence underwhelming.
It's interesting they want to throw the book at the guy who found out the US government was lying about extra terrestrials and the other guy who did far more hacking damage who also endangered national security is let off with a slap on the wrist.
Yet,
Mitnick said of McKinnon: "He's the UFO guy, right?" "I think the excuse that he was trying to expose UFOs is laughable - he was allegedly hacking around all sorts of systems." However, the US hacker-turned-security consultant expressed some surprise at the demands for extradition of McKinnon, suggesting the US is flexing its muscles because it can, rather than because it should. Mitnick said: "I think they're trying to make an example out of him - you can't be in another country and escape American justice."

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Sounds reasonable to me.
 

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"Sounds reasonable to me."

For a guy that probably wants to avoid any more legal troubles the government can possibly dig up on him or wants to avoid any more hassles if lets say the government "randomly" decides to have the IRS give him a "surprise audit" I can agree with you.

Specifically I can agree with you in that what Mitnick said sounds reasonable from a man whose been put through the rigors of the system and doesn't want a round two of that somewhere down the line as retribution for showing support for a government enemy who did a similar crime to his.

He kept his comments perfectly politically expediant so as to avoid further hassle.
 
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