"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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asking girls on dates-totally flubbed

venser

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hey all,

today i totally scrubbed on one of the easiest tasks there are. I guess ive just been out of practice or soemthing. First year of college ended yesterday, and this entire year i havent gone on a single date. I have had sex like mad though, picking up chicks at parties, bars, and whatnot. But i pretty much always end the night with sex and a "k, thanks, bye".

anyways, i picked up this chick the other day, and got her number. it was pretty easy, as i never have trouble with my cold approach. anyways, usuaslyl i dont ever call them, just because i dont find it worth the effort of dating them to get sex -when i get sex at parties for free twice a week.

but this time, i acutally decided i wanted to date this girl because
1) she was HOT(hb9? maybe 9.5),
2) she was pretty cool to talk to.

so i called her up, and i pretty much scrubbed on the freakin fone conversation. it sorta went like:

me: hey
her: hey
me: its venser from the mall
her: oh hey, im eating dinner right now, but whats up
me: not much, what are you doing tomo?
her: nothing yet
me: you want to do something?
her: like what?

*this is where i scrubbed*

me: uhh i dunno, i hadnt really thought about it
her: well, im eating dinner with my frined right now, let me call u back later
me: ok bye
her: bye

while i didnt screw this up completely at all, i jknow i definately messed up there.
a) i shoulda had a clear plan for what i wanted to do tomo
b) i dunno, i did something else wrong im sure too


anyways, thoughts? comments?

what exactly do people do on 1st dates these days anways?

in hs, we went to movies/dinner. lol

somehow i dont think thats going to cut it.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Ah don't be so hard for yourself, you're out of practice.

As far as the date goes, you're right that dinner and a movie isn't the Don Juan thing to do. Something different, unique. something where you both have to be active, like ice skating, roller blading, maybe like the zoo , crazy wierd stores in donwtown you know? Bowling, pool, frickin' arcade. If you can't think of anything off the top of your head, tell her it's a "secret". Let her be intrigued. But if you try to pull this one you better have something pretty cool planned. Maybe something you know about her that's odd could help, like if she played paint ball or likes hockey or something.
 

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hmm thats a neat idea, i sorta dont wanna spend the whole day with her though.

you got any good ideas for like shorter things? like -idk 4 hours sorta thing.

the ice skating idea is awesome. htough i think im probably pretty bad at that. lol.
 

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also, if she doesnt call me back, do i just drop it?

i feel like it would be kinda lame to call her again. and have a convo like
"you didint call me, so i decided to call you". lol.
 

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Idk bout u ppl but a movie is still good fo a 1st date. Neva did dat dinner bs lol. Bowling also is good. Iceskatin?? Its almost summer ppl lol. N she aint gonna call bac. Text or call bac bout da date. If she doesnt pick up or picks up n says she'll call bac. Erase her numba, next her n move on
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You get laid with 2 different girls a week but want advice on asking a girl on a first date?

Doesn't really add up tbh. If what you say is true you should just keep sleeping with the girls at parties.
 

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L777 said:
You get laid with 2 different girls a week but want advice on asking a girl on a first date?

Doesn't really add up tbh. If what you say is true you should just keep sleeping with the girls at parties.
I was going to make the same point. This stinks of trolling! This forum is full of BS and every post follows the same format, i.e. "I'm so incredibly awesome and irresistable," followed by some stupid question to attempt to distract the reader from the "punch in the face" obviousness of what the real meaning of the post is: I want to boast about something which isn't true.
 

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Byezbozhniy said:
I was going to make the same point. This stinks of trolling! This forum is full of BS and every post follows the same format, i.e. "I'm so incredibly awesome and irresistable," followed by some stupid question to attempt to distract the reader from the "punch in the face" obviousness of what the real meaning of the post is: I want to boast about something which isn't true.
i'm really not trying to come across as a boaster at all. i just mentioned the fact that meeting girls at parties was not difficult for me to get across a point: that im really not a beginner at chicks.

In the sense that while i AM certainly asking for advice, i am NOT asking for basics. I want help pertaining to my specific problem, and i dont need to be lectured on "girls like this, not this, be interesting, etc etc". thats all.

I really have no purpose bragging on an internet forum with people i'll never meet. im here for help, simply put.

on another note, what i said wasnt even that impressive. prtetty much all of my frat brothers score action weekly. except the ones with gfs i guess. lol.
 

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YoungSir4sho said:
Idk bout u ppl but a movie is still good fo a 1st date. Neva did dat dinner bs lol. Bowling also is good. Iceskatin?? Its almost summer ppl lol. N she aint gonna call bac. Text or call bac bout da date. If she doesnt pick up or picks up n says she'll call bac. Erase her numba, next her n move on

sounds good. ill text her, if nothing comes out of it, ill move ahead.
 

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venser said:
i'm really not trying to come across as a boaster at all. i just mentioned the fact that meeting girls at parties was not difficult for me to get across a point: that im really not a beginner at chicks.

In the sense that while i AM certainly asking for advice, i am NOT asking for basics. I want help pertaining to my specific problem, and i dont need to be lectured on "girls like this, not this, be interesting, etc etc". thats all.

I really have no purpose bragging on an internet forum with people i'll never meet. im here for help, simply put.

on another note, what i said wasnt even that impressive. prtetty much all of my frat brothers score action weekly. except the ones with gfs i guess. lol.
Oh you're a frat boy? Damn I'm glad I don't have to buy my friends.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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L777 said:
Oh you're a frat boy? Damn I'm glad I don't have to buy my friends.
is that really neccesary? I dont feel like i bought any of my friends, nor do I know anyone who feels that way at all.

why troll? I come on this site looking for help, and you're being all hostile. what good does it do you, and what have i done to warrant it?
 
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