“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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asking a girl out for a drink and then not drinking alcohol

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has anyone ever done this? I'm on a liver cleanse thing and not drinking right now. But I like the night life and it's key to my dating schematics.

I would like to think that I could continue dating as before and just drink coke instead. Sort of the best of both worlds.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I couldn't imagine it being a problem.

It could be a good conversation topic too. Go for it.
 

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It's not an issue. I use this a lot:

HB: You're just drinking Coke?

Mike: Yeah I'm taking it easy tonight.

HB: Really?

Mike: Yeah I'm gonna start out with a Coke. Then later I'm gonna drink the hard sh@t like .....Pepsi lol.

It always get a laugh.
 

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omkara said:
has anyone ever done this? I'm on a liver cleanse thing and not drinking right now. But I like the night life and it's key to my dating schematics.

I would like to think that I could continue dating as before and just drink coke instead. Sort of the best of both worlds.

I haven't touched a drop of alcohol since the age of 16 (family problems with alcohol), and can safely say that there has been no problem for me whatsoever. All that it means is that girls are less likely to want to drink themselves on a first date if they don't see me drinking. With good game, they still put out when sober.

As one poster has already said, it can make for a good conversation topic as well. My story about why I don't drink can add a degree of vulnerability to my game if delivered correctly and not dwelled upon. I can't think of a single girl who has ever reacted badly to me not drinking. In fact, there was even one occasion where a girl gave me a compliment over it: "you're the first guy I've hooked up with sober!"
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Iceberg said:
I couldn't imagine it being a problem.

It could be a good conversation topic too. Go for it.
cool thanks man. I will try it and do a field report on it.
 

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Mike32ct said:
It's not an issue. I use this a lot:

HB: You're just drinking Coke?

Mike: Yeah I'm taking it easy tonight.

HB: Really?

Mike: Yeah I'm gonna start out with a Coke. Then later I'm gonna drink the hard sh@t like .....Pepsi lol.

It always get a laugh.
haha good one. So did you ask the girl to a bar or just meet her there for the first time?
 

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I did it for about 3 years when I was in AA and gave up drinking (Even though drinking was never a real issue, you gotta give it up too if you are in AA/NA)

just get a virgin daquari. problem solved. A few girls would give me a "you don't drink alcohol" look and for the first dates I would just say something like I'm trying to watch my girlish figure by not consuming too many empty cals (Which is actually somewhat true, even when I do drink I hardly ever take more than 1 drink).


it's really a non issue.
 

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OnTheWayUp said:
. I can't think of a single girl who has ever reacted badly to me not drinking.
Well that is what I am thinking. It really should not matter in most cases. There was a guy here who posted recently about drinking water while watching a girl get drunk in a bar.

I quit drinking, for the foreseeable future, the day after new years. And I'm not one of those people that's going to make this my new religion. I've done that before. It was just time. My skin was looking terrible, and I'm going to quit at least until my skin looks better. Also, drinking was bad for inner game (for me, because I drink too often and isolate). I feel more confident when I haven't been drinking and keep up with my responsibilities.

It's just that, when people quit drinking, this question always comes up, how am I going to continue my social life? Because let's face it, alcohol is a huge way that people bond together. It's good for some things. My family bonds together through the shared activity of drinking. But there would be other ways to achieve the same thing.

Anyway, I think if your frame is strong enough, then it's not going to make a difference. Most people out there, especially women, are followers who are scared to write their own script in life. Just because 99% of people follow social conventions does not mean that you can't be successful breaking them.

Edit: One more thing I forgot to mention, is that I was becoming stupid on alcohol. The latest research is that it doesn't kill brain cells, but kills your dendrites (connections between brain cells). So it made me slow and I can't be clever or think up quick lines. That is partially why I was boring on dates, when I used to be funny. I'm already starting to feel my wit coming back a little, but I would have to quit for 6 months to a year to really let the dendrites grow back.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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omkara said:
haha good one. So did you ask the girl to a bar or just meet her there for the first time?
I've used that line in both scenarios. It's a non-issue with the girl generally.

Although some bartenders might give this subtle look of disappointment or in rare cases (if he's a d@ck) a condescending look, maybe because they are making less of a sale? I tip them the same whether it's a coke or rum n coke, so they shouldn't care. However, if I get the eyeroll or some attitude, no tip lol. But don't sweat it. The good news is most are professional and will treat you as such no matter what you order.

I also agree with alcohol's effect on your skin. It makes my skin look weathered and makes me look older, which is never good for a ONS. Even the same night it happens, probably due to dehydration. So even if i am drinking, I drink Sprites or water in between alcoholic beverages and it somewhat mitigates this effect. But ideal is no booze at all.
 

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There is nothing wrong with this. I would advise you to not explain yourself to the woman though. If she asks you why you are not drinking, tell her you do not feel like it. Leave it at that and resist the temptation to explain yourself with 30 second stories when you are asked about something you feel awkward about.
 

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There's lots of drinks you can order that look no different from a real drink. A glass of coke or ginger ale on the rocks in a tumbler with a lime looks just like a mixed drink....

Heck, you can even drink "near beer" in a glass.
 
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