Armed Guards at Church

[LiveFreeX]

http://therightscoop.com/pandemoniu...ter-disruption-2-people-shot-car-hits-people/

Clearly there are protected classes in America.

 

[FairShake]

Venezuela:

Population: 30,000,000

OVV researcher Alberto Camardiel told InSight Crime via e-mail that specifically, the OVV estimates the following for 2014:

There were 16,549 homicides in Venezuela -- a homicide rate of 54 for every 100,000 people.

There were 3,485 police killings -- a rate of about 11 for every 100,000 people.

There were 4,947 deaths of undetermined intent -- a rate of about 16 for every 100,000.

#DoLatinLivesMatter?

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-an...ng-the-most-dangerous-nation-in-latin-america

I think its a fairshake that Americans over react to Police related deaths.

Yay! Our police are better than that of a third world country controlled by cartels and socialists!

Latin lives matter and the chaos in country has caused hundreds of thousands to take to the streets to protest just as is happening on a smaller scale here.

 

[FairShake]

This is where the comparison of street gangs to 'police gangs' started.

And yes, it's crap.

I think it's being said for poetic license.

To many people the police are considered like a gang. In types of deeds if not the exact number of deeds.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Yay! Our police are better than that of a third world country controlled by cartels and socialists!

Compared to where I live, your USA IS a 3rd world country controlled by cartels and socialists.

 

[Jaylan]

I think you're letting your emotions get the better of you here. In your effort to "win" you are making a meaningless argument. I am not saying police kill more than gangsters. I am saying they kill too many people and, just as egregiously, we aren't even sure how many they kill!

You are comparing cops and gangsters. Think about that for a second. You are touting that those who swear to uphold the law kill and protect the innocent kill less than those who swear to break the law and victimize the innocent. Is that the best we can do? A way-too-large amount of police officers cannot be defended on their own merit. They can't be defended by their own numbers on their own. You are defending them by saying "Hey, at least they aren't gangsters." Personally I want to hold them to a higher standard than twice as good as the lowest thugs in America.


As for your 95% I suppose that is subjective. But almost a third of black people killed by cops this year have been unarmed at the time of their shooting. I think many more than 5% of the cases are wrong. That's not even considering the potential of drop guns used by police like we saw attempted in North Charleston SC earlier this year.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis

Quoted for truth.

But don't waste you're time arguing. It'll just lead to another political bicker-fest and the thread getting locked.

 

[DFW71]

I think it's being said for poetic license.

To many people the police are considered like a gang. In types of deeds if not the exact number of deeds.

Blane the police lol. The police should be more aggressive and throw every last gang member in prison.
Funniest part is these gang members often believe in a book of make believe also known as the bible or koran or some other crap book.

 

[prison/con.net]

I hope that the fools KEEP on considering as as being so "violent'. that way, fewer of them will come here! you do NOT have to be armed in order to be a lethal threat. When you try to grab the COP's gun, then you should be shot. It's really very simple. I've been arrested several times, stopped and questioned several more times. If you'll treat cops with the respect that you should give to anyone, it's 100 to 1 odds that you'll have no serious problems with cops, 1000 to one that you'll have no violence against you and 10,000 to one that there will be no shots fired at you. Be a jackass about it and yes, your odds of getting shot go up, as they damned well SHOULD

 

[YawataNoKami]

They poison our streets with drugs, violence, and all manner of crime.
Some 33,000 violent street gangs, motorcycle gangs, and prison gangs with about 1.4 million members are criminally active in the U.S. today. Many are sophisticated and well organized; all use violence to control neighborhoods and boost their illegal money-making activities, which include robbery, drug and gun trafficking, fraud, extortion, and prostitution rings. According to the 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment report, gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions, and up to 90 percent in others. We’re redoubling our efforts to disrupt and dismantle gangs through intelligence-driven investigations and new initiatives and partnerships.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/gangs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gangs_in_the_United_States

 

[dx12173]

American culture is violent and polluted with weaponry. There are so many guns in circulation that I dont even know what gun regulation reform would do to stem the loss of life.

Its a damn shame really. Because of mass gun manufacture and lax regulations on gun sales and distribution for generations, theres really no easy solution to our safety problem.

Our country really shouldnt have ever let our gun and violence problem get this bad to begin with. Hopefully things get better...but it likely wont be in our lifetimes to see if America is able to become as safe as other first world nations.

Get rid of guns and get rid of black street gang thugs and white motorcycle gang thugs. **** them all.

 

[prison/con.net]

So what's your PLAN for "getting rid of the guns", Adolph? There's 100 million gunowners and 300+million guns and we are well proven to NOT just surrender guns just because they are outlawed. So, say that 20 million refuse to give up 50 million guns. What are you going to DO about that, hmm? Get 20,000 cops and troops shot trying to seize the guns?

 

[prison/con.net]

yep, cops should be killing a LOT more such scum, regardless of color.

 

[FairShake]

But most all of them were breaking the law and resisting arrest.

Possibly.

But neither is considered grounds for use of force.

So what's your PLAN for "getting rid of the guns", Adolph? There's 100 million gunowners and 300+million guns and we are well proven to NOT just surrender guns just because they are outlawed. So, say that 20 million refuse to give up 50 million guns. What are you going to DO about that, hmm? Get 20,000 cops and troops shot trying to seize the guns?

Getting rid of guns would make this country safer but it could not be practically carried out. Too many guns and too many gun owners.

The only way of getting rid of them is to win the propaganda war and the gun grabbers seem to be trying their best but the odds are pretty stacked against them.

 

[FairShake]

Resisting arrest is ABSOLUTELY grounds for use of force. You have to be kidding to think otherwise.

Not deadly force. I should've mentioned that.

Eliminating guns would make us much less safer, then only bad guys would have guns.....and there would be no defense from an overzealous government on top of that.

Most First World countries with strict gun laws also keep them out of the hands of the bad guys by and large. Certainly with much more success than we do.

And since I know you will make this argument, it will be safer for black Americans too, who still count as Americans.

 

[FairShake]

However bottom line is that the lawbreaker should not be resisting arrest.

No they shouldn't. And to solve the large (and we don't even know HOW large) problem of police violence we would need action on both sides. Some cops need to change but so do some resisting civilians. It takes two to tango and to solve a problem.

Most first world countries are no better as far as homicide rates, even with guns banned. But the citizens sure have no chance against an overzealous government.

I suppose it depends on your definition of first world. I personally don't think of Eastern Europe as first world yet and America's homicide rate is roughly in line with most of them (Russia's being the outlier with double most other countries). But no other Western European country or Canada or Australia is even close.

And when just taking gun homicides into account we rank above many third world nations. Less guns and we would have lower numbers, I don't think a real argument can be made against that.

As I said however I don't see a feasible way of banning guns that could work.

 

[prison/con.net]

you just IGNORE the 2 million X per year that guns STOP crimes in the US, eh? I"ve pointed a pistol at men several times in my life, know several others who have done the same (once each). In each case, either no shots were fired or a warning shot (or miss) sufficed. Those cases don't get reported. I know of many more cases where an attacking animal was stopped by a gun, too. 5 million people in the US are dog-bitten every year. 800k of them seek medical attention. ASPCA website. You are 10,000x more likely to be attacked by a dog than a bear, but everyone is scared of bears.

 

[prison/con.net]

80% of the guys in prison didn't harm anyone. So you can figure that a lot of the time, the cop is arresting the guy for something that he shouldn't be arrested for. If we legalized guns, dope, prostitution and gambling, we'd have 5x as many resources for locking up the nuts, the violent, thieves, etc, and doing so quickly and for a LONG time each.