"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Arguments = Ticket Out Of The Friendzone?

Jack-Torrance

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This has happened more than once I don't think it's a coincidence?

With some girls who have me in the friendzone, we get into small arguments. Then it seems like their attraction levels actually go up? Wtf? Apparently negative feelings cause girls to start feeling attracted to you.

Never been DEEP in the friendzone (eg best-friendzone) but with girls I am kinda friends with this has happened.

I guess the fact you make them feel something aside from "neutral" makes a difference.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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It's about being a challenge and being your own man. A friend of mine told me that if I want to sleep with a woman I should get into an argument with her to build up the tension and then offer her a release (hug, kiss, sex, ect...).
 

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I noticed the same thing,it seems that some girls gain consideration in you if you openly challenge them (unlike the other afcs),however once I start it's like if a beast has been unleashed and I keep going on even if she's down or out of ammo(having ppl kissing ur ass 24/7 doesn't allow u to get used to argue).

I don't know if it works in order to create attraction but damn it's a good therapy.
 

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Its better to crash and burn out of the friendzone than to remain in it. They say its a thin line between love and hate. And its better to be hated by a woman and try to woo her later than for her to feel nothing at all for you. No matter what, you ain't "just a friend".
 

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Yep. Make them love you or make them hate you. Boredom is the enemy.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The friend zone should be renamed the deathzone :/ I just hated it so f**king much.
 

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Come to think of it this little (less than 5') 18 yr old tried messaging me about 2 weeks ago. The last words I said to her in October were, "Shut the fvck up!" as she threw my shoes at me and hit me, pushed me as I left out the door of her apt. I didn't message her, she's just too much trouble. She has the most beautiful crystal Catholic Russian eyes I've ever seen though and she used to ask me, "What is wrong with your eyes?!" She said that they were dilated, thought I looked like a vampire like that stupid movie she liked so much. Idk why, but my eyes would get all cool-looking when I was with her, fvcking her, kissing her, whatever. It's like I sucked in all her youth essence and any girl I came into contact with after her noticed and wanted to be with me because they could Feel that I'd been dipping into the youth cookies. This in turn, made them feel younger.
 

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Iceberg said:
Yep. Make them love you or make them hate you. Boredom is the enemy.
So rather than exiting the situation with class is it better to just curse them out and then vanish for awhile?
 

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mrbojangs said:
So rather than exiting the situation with class is it better to just curse them out and then vanish for awhile?
No.

If the situation has gotten to the point of exiting, then you should do it with class.

I just mean that if you disagree with a girl, then disagree with her. If she wants to go out for Italian, and you want Chinese, then talk her into getting Chinese. If you can't make a girl head-over-heels in love with you, then the alternative is to be hated. Most guys fall into the in-between area of being a nice guy who offers nothing exciting. Make people feel something. Whether it's love or hate.
 

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I have come to associate a girl "hating me" with attraction. It's a weird association, it means when a girl gets angry at me after I do something amusing to **** with her, I feel like I've won her over.

I think as long as you aren't affected by people's anger towards you. I think that's really important. This principle applies to all life, I think you keep a lot of power and really shut down the other person if when they shout at you, you can just stand there like ":l" and clearly not be threatened or give a **** at all. More effective is to laugh. But if they are more physically imposing than you and becoming a bit agressive, beta-up and tell them you are sorry etc etc to avoid starting something.

However on the flip side, some girls have told me that when they hate a guy they automatically think he's ugly, it's hard to summarise "girls", because they are all individuals, but in general I found what I originally said to be true.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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SamTheHobit said:
The friend zone should be renamed the deathzone :/ I just hated it so f**king much.
The friendzone trap is extreeeemely easy to avoid.

Just don't let yourself develop any sort of feelings for a girl who has friendzoned you (it should be obvious without even asking). That way you never have the issue. Don't hang out with her either. Really. DON'T.

With strangers, you should never fall into the trap to begin with, just don't get too close and "be your own man". I'm not saying "be a man" because I hate that ****, I just mean, don't play into them, don't let them have power over you. You don't have to be a manly man to not let them have power over you.
 
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