Recently I met a huge femanist and I proceeded to actually debate why femanist BS has brainwashed men and caused the rise of metrosexuals. However much to my surprise by the end the debate I was actually siding with the femanist cuz she had valid and convincing arguments like equal wages, how females lose job oppertunities cuz they have to take care of the baby and such. Any of you have valid points against femanism? and why it corrupted modern society cuz I really would like to make a comeback and show that chick that femanism isn't PERFECT!
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Try looking into femInism, and you'll see that it's not the terrible thing that woman haters on this site (about getting women?!) spout off about constantly. Feminism isn't just man hating, and most feminists aren't man-haters.
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Females make decisions by emotion more than logic.
They make instant conclusions about certain people and subjects without looking at the big picture.
Thus don't work as hard because they think they don't have to, meaning less money. Plus they need to take of the kids.
They make instant conclusions about certain people and subjects without looking at the big picture.
Thus don't work as hard because they think they don't have to, meaning less money. Plus they need to take of the kids.
What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.
You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
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I don't see how someone who doesn't know how to spell feminism could actually argue intelligently against a feminist about feminism. I mean no offense to you. You may be very intelligent and open minded and educated, but misspelling the topic about which you're debating is usually the first sign that you don't stand a chance in the debate. It takes knowledge of both sides of the issue to effectively point and counter-point in an argument. Either that or you need some BAD$SS argueing skills.
Mandiblard
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Don't waste your time debating with them, just laugh at them.
Society is fvcked. It always has been, and it always will be.
Chicks get held down. Guys get held down. At any given time on any given day, there is some act of sexual oppression going on.
Fathers get screwed over in custody courts because they have a penis. Chicks get tossed around the work place by chauvanistic pigs because they have a tight ass in that secretary uniform.
What one must not lose sight of, is the fact is crap works both ways. It's when someone drags down and slags off the opposite sex that I have a problem with.
There are decent feminists out there. It's society's perception of the butch-lesbian, male castrating feminist that makes us choke on our beer. Ain't nothing wrong with fighting for equality, just don't fight to drag the other gender down
Chicks get held down. Guys get held down. At any given time on any given day, there is some act of sexual oppression going on.
Fathers get screwed over in custody courts because they have a penis. Chicks get tossed around the work place by chauvanistic pigs because they have a tight ass in that secretary uniform.
What one must not lose sight of, is the fact is crap works both ways. It's when someone drags down and slags off the opposite sex that I have a problem with.
There are decent feminists out there. It's society's perception of the butch-lesbian, male castrating feminist that makes us choke on our beer. Ain't nothing wrong with fighting for equality, just don't fight to drag the other gender down
comic_relief
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I actually met some really cool feminists since I got into college. Nothing wrong with feminists, but when they start wanting more than equal rights, than I begin to question it.
I have called some of their BS before. I have changed some of their minds on subjects and had a blast with some of them.
It is really cool. No problem with them, but keep them in their place. Half of them want to fvck me and they are not butch.
Hitting on girls right in front of them is the best fun that I have.
comic_relief
I have called some of their BS before. I have changed some of their minds on subjects and had a blast with some of them.
It is really cool. No problem with them, but keep them in their place. Half of them want to fvck me and they are not butch.
Hitting on girls right in front of them is the best fun that I have.
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Joe The Homophobe
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Somebody here (the thread starter) hasn't read Dr. Makows articles yet
Go read any of Dr Warren Farrell's books, and you'll get plenty of ammo. The reason why women can't have some jobs, is because they know they're not prepared to take the suffering which goes with the job. Like he says, there is no proof that a woman doing exactly the same job as a man gets paid any less.
The feminists say women earn less, but that is like saying that male doctors get more than female nurses yet they're both in the medical field. Well hello!
Ask yourself this simple question. Have you ever heard any feminists complaining that men don't respect women? You bet. Have you ever heard any men complaining that women don't respect men? I doubt it. Is that because all women respect all men? No.
The feminists say women earn less, but that is like saying that male doctors get more than female nurses yet they're both in the medical field. Well hello!
Ask yourself this simple question. Have you ever heard any feminists complaining that men don't respect women? You bet. Have you ever heard any men complaining that women don't respect men? I doubt it. Is that because all women respect all men? No.
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What does that prove?ElChoclo said:
It proves that women have a victim mentality and an entitlement mentality which is being pushed by the feminists, and that they have commandeered the language of the culture to foster their world view.
"When political parties are dependent on keeping woman-as-child, we encourage women to develop the psychology of the entitled child: an ever sharper eye for seeing the discrimination against her, not the discrimination for her." Myth of Male Power, Dr W. Farrell 2001, Second Edition pg 315.
"When political parties are dependent on keeping woman-as-child, we encourage women to develop the psychology of the entitled child: an ever sharper eye for seeing the discrimination against her, not the discrimination for her." Myth of Male Power, Dr W. Farrell 2001, Second Edition pg 315.
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Actually there's a difference between the original 19th century feminism, which sought to bring equal basic rights to women (voting and such) and neo-feminism or even radical feminism. Neo-feminism is and radical feminism is that junk that women who think are feminists spout today. I love those kind of feminists because it's so, so, so easy to totally piss them off.
Nighthawk's History Of Feminism.
Once upon a time, women were held back by men. They didn't let them vote or earn their own money. The Women's Liberation Movement (nee Feminism) came about to serve women's aims. Some died for those rights. Eventually men conceded that things were unfair and slowly women achieved equality in the eyes of the law and most men. Cool.
Next feminism decided to settle a whole bunch of other scores, like the objectification of women, and how a man should act to be acceptable (the New Man phenomenon of the 80s). It was a reasonable debate to have, and both sexes could be forgiven for trying out a new system. Many men, the natural AFCs, the ones who cared about fairness, embraced this new paradigm. Men who acted outside this new norm risked being labeled a misogynist. Curiously they would still get laid - in fact more than the eager-to-please new man. Hmmm.
As time went by a bunch of women, both in and out of the feminist movement realised these New Men, while great on paper, did not get their puzzies wet. They yearned for a man who would spank them when they were naughty, who wouldn't take their every word at face value, who didn't put them on a pedestal. This was kind of annoying to a lot of feminists so they put their heads in the sand and refused to accept it.
The rest of the women were now stuck with the consequences of their demands. They found that Generation AFC man was happy to give up ALL his power, rather than fight for his corner if challenged. Women had learnt a thing or two about manipulation during their centuries of oppression, and men had grown weak. Women had the power they wanted, but began to despise their old enemy now he had given them their collective balls. They began to act ever more demanding, unreasonable and spoilt, hoping in their collective unconscious that their societal shyt-test would wake men from their slumber.
There was indeed resistance, from men who had been burned by the misuse of female power, or valued mutual respect and loathed double-standards, or who had never wanted women to have any power in the first place.
These men were faced with a society and media still struggling to assimilate the changes of women's liberation. Their numbers were small, and unorganized. But slowly, with the aid of a few books, movies and (ahem) websites, their confidence and influence grew and
I'm curious to see what happens next too.
Once upon a time, women were held back by men. They didn't let them vote or earn their own money. The Women's Liberation Movement (nee Feminism) came about to serve women's aims. Some died for those rights. Eventually men conceded that things were unfair and slowly women achieved equality in the eyes of the law and most men. Cool.
Next feminism decided to settle a whole bunch of other scores, like the objectification of women, and how a man should act to be acceptable (the New Man phenomenon of the 80s). It was a reasonable debate to have, and both sexes could be forgiven for trying out a new system. Many men, the natural AFCs, the ones who cared about fairness, embraced this new paradigm. Men who acted outside this new norm risked being labeled a misogynist. Curiously they would still get laid - in fact more than the eager-to-please new man. Hmmm.
As time went by a bunch of women, both in and out of the feminist movement realised these New Men, while great on paper, did not get their puzzies wet. They yearned for a man who would spank them when they were naughty, who wouldn't take their every word at face value, who didn't put them on a pedestal. This was kind of annoying to a lot of feminists so they put their heads in the sand and refused to accept it.
The rest of the women were now stuck with the consequences of their demands. They found that Generation AFC man was happy to give up ALL his power, rather than fight for his corner if challenged. Women had learnt a thing or two about manipulation during their centuries of oppression, and men had grown weak. Women had the power they wanted, but began to despise their old enemy now he had given them their collective balls. They began to act ever more demanding, unreasonable and spoilt, hoping in their collective unconscious that their societal shyt-test would wake men from their slumber.
There was indeed resistance, from men who had been burned by the misuse of female power, or valued mutual respect and loathed double-standards, or who had never wanted women to have any power in the first place.
These men were faced with a society and media still struggling to assimilate the changes of women's liberation. Their numbers were small, and unorganized. But slowly, with the aid of a few books, movies and (ahem) websites, their confidence and influence grew and
I'm curious to see what happens next too.
THE_ADDMAN
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Feminism is whats wrong with society. not the "patriarchy"
most men have been reduced to a joke. Sitcoms, commercials... most media, really. Male power was almost gone, but feminists kept pushing. who knows how far they'd go? after "equality", what was their goals? to make all males spontaneously say "ok! its our fault" and commit suicide??
most men have been reduced to a joke. Sitcoms, commercials... most media, really. Male power was almost gone, but feminists kept pushing. who knows how far they'd go? after "equality", what was their goals? to make all males spontaneously say "ok! its our fault" and commit suicide??
I've always wanted equality because I know that if one day I am to be a female or be reborn as a female, I would want feminism to be on my side.
It's astounding because a close friend of mine who is actually a male-to-female, and he used to be a true woman-hater, the ones that the keyboard jockey would describe or say, he actually manifested it physically.
Until he had to, for medical reasons, change into a female. The things he says today, I never thought I would hear. From 'I hate women!' to 'now I know why women say these kind of things...'
I suggest people try to look at things equally, so that one day when you're 'afflicted' with it, you will be able to see things fairly and also receive fair treatment.
It's astounding because a close friend of mine who is actually a male-to-female, and he used to be a true woman-hater, the ones that the keyboard jockey would describe or say, he actually manifested it physically.
Until he had to, for medical reasons, change into a female. The things he says today, I never thought I would hear. From 'I hate women!' to 'now I know why women say these kind of things...'
I suggest people try to look at things equally, so that one day when you're 'afflicted' with it, you will be able to see things fairly and also receive fair treatment.
Panda 2000 said:
Actually it's like that everywhere. There's always radical or neo something. Neo Nazi, Radical Conservatives, Neo Republicans, the list goes on and on and on.
What you guys are picking on is the extreme side, the sad thing is, you guys are also bunching the extreme side with the normal women and women who are just feminist and believe in the principles of it. It's sad if you think about it.
Think religion.
You can have a good hard working Christian, or you can have the extreme shove-it-down your throat Christian whose sole occupation (to pay his bills) is to convert you. I rather pick the good hard working Christian as a friend and coworker than the latter.
I also don't make the mistake of bunching them together.
Try it guys, you might meet some cool feminists. I know I have when I hear 'wow... I didn't know guys like you exist Sifer'. Or you can be a women hater and make things worse.