Aren't women less visually stimulated than men?

[CasanovaFrankenstein]

On this forum I've seen a lot of threads debating about how important a guy's physical looks are to women. I've always heard that women can fall for a guy for a lot more reasons than looks, while if a woman isn't at least cute, she won't show up on the radar of most guys (unless he's a chubby chaser or something).

Example: remember that fat kid who did the video on the internet doing that "Numa Numa" dance? I saw females typing on the internet that they thought that guy was hot....couldn't have been because of his looks I don't think. He did something funny on the internet (getting himself a little bit of fame didn't hurt either I'm sure) that gave him some value, and all of a sudden this fat kid has girls wanting him.

But then take Mimi that obese woman with the ugly makeup from the Drew Carey show. Fame, probably got paid a nice chunk of change, funny (so I hear, I never watched the show), but how many guys do you think were boxing with the one-eyed clown to pics of Mimi from the Drew Carey show? Again unless they were chubby chasers to begin with. *sound of crickets chirping* That's what I thought.

So if we agree that a guy has a lot more ways to get his foot in the proverbial door with the opposite sex than a woman does (in general, of course there are exceptions), what do you say to a guy when he says "a guy doesn't need to look good to get women so I'm not going to even bother trying to lose weight, not going to bother getting any of the hair on my chest/back/butt/??? removed, not going to try to dress nicer, etc?" In other words, if you agree guys need looks less than women do to get a desirable mate, does a fat slobbish guy even need to make any effort at all to look good?

 

[SilverSonnet]

You don't lose weight or make yourself look good for women. You do it for yourself. You do it 'cos you respect yourself, because you like to look like a man who has his sights set high in life, who respects himself, his body, his life.
It's your life bro, no one can tell you how to live, if you wanna remain chubby, slobbish etc, then that's your choice, but don't expect to make good first impressions.

My 2 cents,

Ben

 

[LostAndConfused]

I think women are more affected by how popular and/or the social value of the guy than his looks. Which is bad for me because I'm a good looking guy with low social proof.

Looks are of course important, I've had parents tell their daughters about me and then the daughters ask me out...unfortunately they don't look too good lol.

I would rank it like this:
social value > confidence > looks > everything else.

How you view yourself is also of greatest importance....Silver sonnet is right, you need to do it for yourself. Lifting weights, working out, really makes you live healthier.

I had a friend who overcame cancer, and throughout his chemo, he still looked great. Everyone else in the oncology ward looked like they would just pass out and die at any moment, but even though my friend had no hair, he still looked like a million bucks because his body was strong from his efforts to look good. An guess what, he felt like a million bucks too.

So not only does working to "look good" help with the ladies, it also helps with yourself. Your immunity is better, you have more energy, your libido is higher. Why not?

But me personally, I make efforts to look good because I'm a Narcissist. I spend hours every day looking at myself in the mirror, lol.

 

[DonGorgon]

NO they just pretend to be.

 

[bigjohnson]

Deux must be back .... again.

 

[DonGorgon]

Money > Eveything else

 

[bigjohnson]

It's more than money but having money will trump most other things speaking realistically and for most people. For instance movie producers have something money can't buy but that sort of thing is a tiny sliver of the population.

For most guys the one thing they can do that will make the most difference is get a great career or start a money making business.

 

[DonGorgon]

It's more than money but having money will trump most other things speaking realistically and for most people. For instance movie producers have something money can't buy but that sort of thing is a tiny sliver of the population.

For most guys the one thing they can do that will make the most difference is get a great career or start a money making business.

99% of movie producers have money... and the broke ones are not popular...so...

 

[DonGorgon]

Except I'm a poor student, so money isn't important. And I'm not arguing this point because I'm right, end of.

Anyone else who actually sarges will also know I'm right.

Some of you may try to argue because you have an ego, and it rests on excuses rather than you having solid game, but the fact is you're wrong.

All a guy with money does it set a 'provider' frame.

True.... and that is where he will fit into the life of the average ho... who keep different men for her many different needs.

 

[Mad Manic]

Except I'm a poor student, so money isn't important. And I'm not arguing this point because I'm right, end of.

Anyone else who actually sarges will also know I'm right.

Some of you may try to argue because you have an ego, and it rests on excuses rather than you having solid game, but the fact is you're wrong.

All a guy with money does it set a 'provider' frame.

Money in itself may not get you anywhere, but if you use money to improve social proof, looks, appearance, and game in the right venues then it will help. Although your earlier post has merit, reverse things and consider a guy who is tall, good looking, socially proofed by women he entered the venue with and wealthy. Strip him of all these attributes and his life is made a lot harder. He will have to compensate a hell of a lot. What you stated earlier are just methods of compensating in a nightclub venue. I've been clubbing before with my stepdad's italian son. He was tall, good looking, had his hot blonde gf with him; you should have seen the situation in the club, he could have taken home nearly any girl he wanted. Later when his gf left to have an early night, he was with me, and he k-closed and number closed 3 girls without being able to speak english!

MM

 

[war-hero]

Except I'm a poor student, so money isn't important. And I'm not arguing this point because I'm right, end of.

Anyone else who actually sarges will also know I'm right.

Some of you may try to argue because you have an ego, and it rests on excuses rather than you having solid game, but the fact is you're wrong.

All a guy with money does it set a 'provider' frame.

You are screwed. Nobody wants a poor student. Some fat 40 year old guy with a new Mercedes could get any of your fellow classmates if he wanted to.

 

[DonGorgon]

You are screwed. Nobody wants a poor student. Some fat 40 year old guy with a new Mercedes could get any of your fellow classmates if he wanted to.

Ay yes the painful truth...

Young hotties have always f'ed old guys with money... BUT they also f meny other men for many other reasons...

 

[Mad Manic]

Oh darn, guess I'll just sit feeling sorry for myself.

Haha nah, think I'll go out tonight instead. You know, practical experience instead of bull**** theory?

But hey, you guys want to argue amongst yourselves go for it.

LOL I wouldn't call it theory, although I agree saying a student girl would go for a fat 40 year old rich guy over a male student is just theory. Yes of course you should go out, nobody said you shouldn't and nobody said you can't pull unless you're x, y and z. Hell even pessimistic me will be having a spanish girl coming round next week and I've hardly been gaming anywhere.

MM

 

[bigjohnson]

99% of movie producers have money... and the broke ones are not popular...so...

More like the other way around really.