"Are you mad?"

[Vulpine]

Blatent and planned disrespect... amazing. Sh!t test? Wait, what kind of game is this? Blah, doesn't matter, I'm all over it.

Here's the background:

I meet up with chick, call, fux, things are going smooth. I had some obligations, life gets in the way, we don't see each other for a couple weeks. She calls, we meet up, end up in bed fooling around, she brought up some BS negativity to take a shot at me, I tell her to cram it. I bring up some so crap to take a shot back and she replies "Let's just keep it light." Ouch - she's getting back at me for previously when I brushed her back. Then she was asking what my B-day was because she couldn't remember... I wouldn't tell her and let her guess. "Come on, tell me." "Maybe after our kids are grown up and move out." crackup: - "keep it light" :crackup

Anyway, she bounces, that was last week Thursday. This week, Monday, I talk to her. When I go to set up plans, she tells me "I'll see you Wednesday." and the phone call ends.

Ok, guys, tell me if some of the more seasoned vets will relate, but she was busted. She fully intended to set up plans for Wednesday purely for the sake of flaking. I could hear it in her voice. So, I double-booked.

She calls Tuesday afternoon and she got my VM. "blahblahblah call me." I call, leave a message, no return call. It's a flake in full effect. No call Wednesday, no show, then a call Thurday afternoon:

*"If I only had a brain" ringtone from the Wizard of Oz*
V: "I would while away the hours, consorting with the flowers, hmm hmm-hm-hm-hm-hmm - Hellooo?" *hello sung in place of "brain"*
HB: "Are you mad?"
V: "Hahahah, Mad? No." *cheery voice*
HB: "Are you sure? You sound mad." (sound mad? WTF? I was half laughing!?!)
V: "There's nothing to be mad about, kitty-kat."
HB: "You sure? You're not mad?"
V: "Come now, why would I waste my energy being mad?"
HB: "Because I was supposed to come over Wednesday."
V: "It would be one thing if I didn't EXPECT it from YOU. I keep hoping you'll surprise me, but, you just are what you are. I actually made other plans Monday for Wednesday, that's how predictable you've gotten."
HB: "You sound mad."
V: "It's busy at work. *saved by the bell, another phone line rings in the background* I gotta go."
HB: "Can I call you tonight?"
V: "Knock yourself out. Talk to you later."
HB: "Kay, bye hunny."
*Click*

No call later that night - go figure.

Thing is, I truly wasn't mad. I got laid Wednesday, no sweat. I was a little disappointed: I like fuxing this chick and was looking forward to seeing her, but she just can't seem to dispense with the drama, games, and disrespect. Alas, I must call a spade a spade and toss her on the w4ore pile.

The point of the post is this: has anyone had similar scenarios? You see what's going on right away, are like ":yawn:", and end up blowing apart whatever sh!t test/game they're running? What the fack is with insisting that I'm mad?!? "You're mad." "No I'm not." "Yes you are." "No I'm not." "Yes You ARE!" :crazy:

Well... I might have failed the "if you liked me, you'd be mad" test if that was the angle, but she failed the "If you weren't playing silly games or had more interest, you would have called instead of blatently disrespecting me" test. So, it's the bottom of the heap for her until she comes crawling back bawling apologizing. If she doesn't straighten up and beg forgiveness - good riddance.

It's just SOOO ridiculous calling after a stunt like that and the first thing you say is "Are you mad?" Like, duh, hello?!!! Flashing neon "I'm playing games with you on purpose and calling to see if it worked!" sign.


I can't help but to giggle for calling her a predictable slut and it went right over her head... she might've caught on later when she went running back to her friend and was like "He wasn't mad? Why wasn't he mad? I don't understand! I 'just am what I am'? What's that supposed to mean?"
:woo:

Will it never end?

 

[Vulpine]

C&S, how old was the chick? This one was 23.

I'm trying to decide if it's an age thing, or like the "I'm bi" fad that all the AW's seem to be throwing around now.

I'm pretty sure it's just a young chick game. It just seems so lame because, well, I've served soooo many chicks in that age range, WHILE I was still that age, that now it's just so... old?

It's like "opening a can, throwing it in the microwave, and saying you cooked dinner" sort of weak BS.

The part that mystifies me is, what do they hope to accomplish with that sort of crap? How could that possibly have any positive or constructive effect?

Yes, I know, chicks absolutely love drama. Yes, she's probably just trying to break down my "wall of indifference" and get some reaction out of me. But come on, "are you mad?" Weak.

Edit: I know this is trivial sh!t. It doesn't matter much, I just wanted a good Friday afternoon rant to vent some rage off and turn my attitude for the better before the weekend... you know?

 

[MacAvoy]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Girls at that age, have just learnt how to play the game. So there like oh la la watch me stand him up to make him mad.

Childish games, I don't have time for them in my life. You did the right thing. Only thing I would have different was to call her out for acting childish but you did right but not playin to her drama.

 

[speed dawg]

I'm gonna tell you what you already know.....if was really digging you, she wouldn't fukk around like that. It's amazing how girls can give you sh!t tests that you are gonna fail in their minds regardless. Simply not worth the trouble. I'm convincing myself now that NO puzzy is worth the trouble. I'm about to get real good at beatin off......

 

[Vulpine]

Hahah, word. She'd have flown across country, crawled under barbed-wire... all that stuff like RT says.

Yeah, I know, I'm her 3rd string right now. That will change shortly, I'm sure - she's like my what... 0th string? She's not even on the back burner, she's like scraped into the garbage disposal and the pot is in the dishwasher. Maybe she'll spin herself back up... but even then... *shrug*.

 

[Docs]

Heh, you have to ask yourself now, do you want to bed this chick?
-Where's the updates on your thread man??

 

[Charm]

You got so pwned by this chick! HAHAHA!

J/K

Anyway, she spin her **** test on you, you let Wed come along knowing she'd blow you off. You did make other plans, so kudos, but you could have cancelled yours with her before Wed came along and left them hanging until she came back around. "Hey, tomorrow isnt going to work, I found out I have somewhere else I've got to be. Ill talk at you later. "

 

[Vulpine]

but you could have cancelled yours with her before Wed came along and left them hanging until she came back around

True, true. The situation called for a "benefit of the doubt". I wanted to know that I called it, and gauge my skills, follow? Like I said, I enjoy the chick's company, but the hassle and sh!t is really putting her in the "I've already given her too much of my time" pile. So, I let her run out her scheme, like holding over the trash can and giving her a chance to change my mind before dropping her in.

Updates on my thread? *Sigh* Aren't any, really. I've got a certain "thorn in my side" right now. Besides, trapping season is in full effect: every spare second I have is spent stringing steel, checking the line, or skinning dead animals. Oh, this chick didn't mind standing there watching me skin a coyote... *sigh* she's a tough one to toss, but I gotta ignore her with a vengance until she acts right... and I'm really disrespecting myself if I give her another shot, but we shall see what we shall see.

 

[Charm]

Things might come around with her or they might not. Good on you for maintaining the bar. I know what you mean about gauging your skills. Its necessary even when painful to do so but thats how we assess where we're at. Heavyweight champion boxers have to do the same thing to make sure they are still the best, even once they got the belt. "Do I deserve this title DJ?"

 

[WildCard]

Paaaaaaahhhhhlllleeeaaaassseeeeeee

Blatent and planned disrespect... amazing. Sh!t test? Wait, what kind of game is this? Blah, doesn't matter, I'm all over it.

People that are "over it" don't speak of their encounters as you do man - be real with yourself first - then we can help you

Here's the background:

I meet up with chick, call, fux, things are going smooth. I had some obligations, life gets in the way, we don't see each other for a couple weeks. She calls, we meet up, end up in bed fooling around, she brought up some BS negativity to take a shot at me, I tell her to cram it.

Here we go:
HB: BS negativity stuff
WC: (sticks finger in HBs butt) hahahahahhaaaa...let me show you something sh!tty...hahahahahaa(grab her - kiss her b/c she's horney - YES - again)

I bring up some so crap to take a shot back and she replies "Let's just keep it light."

Trans: (in subcom.)
You: waaaaaaa...you hurt me - take that you big meanie!
HB: hahahahaa...if I'm sorry (b!tch-slap) - I didn't mean it really.


Ouch - she's getting back at me for previously when I brushed her back.

:nono: she's affirming that she has control of YOU and the FRAME...which she does as we will see...

Then she was asking what my B-day was because she couldn't remember...

Hhahahahahaha - I love this chick - she knows she can push your buttons ALL DAY LONG...so...therefore...SHE DOES...hahahahahaah

I wouldn't tell her and let her guess. "Come on, tell me." "Maybe after our kids are grown up and move out." (- "keep it light" :crackup

Not bad...this is better...

HB: When's you're birthday...
WC: Why...what are you going to get me?
HB: I dunno...
WC: Well if you really loved me then you'd get me a (X).
HB: I want to keep it light...
WC: Cool. (drop it like a ROCK)
(PAUSE)
HB: So when is it?
WC: C'mere you sexy b!tch - (phaq her)

You see...you flip the frame on her...make it about what she's going to do for you - as it is she keeps poking you like a little rat in a cage...

Anyway, she bounces, that was last week Thursday. This week, Monday, I talk to her. When I go to set up plans, she tells me "I'll see you Wednesday." and the phone call ends.

Ooohhhhh....

Ok, guys, tell me if some of the more seasoned vets will relate, but she was busted. She fully intended to set up plans for Wednesday purely for the sake of flaking. I could hear it in her voice. So, I double-booked.

GIVE THAT MAN A CIGAR!

She calls Tuesday afternoon and she got my VM. "blahblahblah call me." I call, leave a message, no return call. It's a flake in full effect. No call Wednesday, no show, then a call Thurday afternoon:

*"If I only had a brain" ringtone from the Wizard of Oz*
V: "I would while away the hours, consorting with the flowers, hmm hmm-hm-hm-hm-hmm - Hellooo?" *hello sung in place of "brain"*

I just gotta ask - Why-The-Phuk did you answer? This b!tch needs to be iced for a spell

HB: "Are you mad?"
V: "Hahahah, Mad? No." *cheery voice*

:nono: You acknowledged the fram again - how about this instead-

WC: About what?
HB: About me totally dissing you and going off with some other guy and blowing him in the bathroom at Hooters.

HB: "Are you sure? You sound mad." (sound mad? WTF? I was half laughing!?!)
V: "There's nothing to be mad about, kitty-kat."
HB: "You sure? You're not mad?"
V: "Come now, why would I waste my energy being mad?"
HB: "Because I was supposed to come over Wednesday."
V: "It would be one thing if I didn't EXPECT it from YOU. I keep hoping you'll surprise me, but, you just are what you are. I actually made other plans Monday for Wednesday, that's how predictable you've gotten."
HB: "You sound mad."

Bro..this chick HAS YOU PEGGED...DUMP HER NOW - OR prepare for a massive game-overhaul which will more than likely end in the same thing

V: "It's busy at work. *saved by the bell, another phone line rings in the background* I gotta go."
HB: "Can I call you tonight?"
V: "Knock yourself out. Talk to you later."
HB: "Kay, bye hunny."
*Click*

No call later that night - go figure.

Thing is, I truly wasn't mad.

Yeah...I'm not buying that - sorry man - even in this short TEXT without facial expression or tonality - you sound agitated, AT LEAST

I got laid Wednesday, no sweat.

get validation from life, not the people IN IT, or if you phuk them

I was a little disappointed: I like fuxing this chick and was looking forward to seeing her, but she just can't seem to dispense with the drama, games, and disrespect. Alas, I must call a spade a spade and toss her on the w4ore pile.

No need to toss her man - just stop treating her like potential GF material - treat her like a ho and you'll be golden; and here's the gravy - when you do this...she'll start acting like the GF you always wanted...TO TRAP YOU...hahahahahaha...I love this sh!t

The point of the post is this: has anyone had similar scenarios? You see what's going on right away, are like "", and end up blowing apart whatever sh!t test/game they're running?

Yeah...you identified, but got pissy about it - you didn't "blow" sh!t up, cuz you REACTED rather than RESPONDED...you'll see what I mean in the weeks to come

What the fack is with insisting that I'm mad?!? "You're mad." "No I'm not." "Yes you are." "No I'm not." "Yes You ARE!" :crazy:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...yeah...cuz you are/were...poke poke little rat...hahahahahaha

Well... I might have failed the "if you liked me, you'd be mad" test if that was the angle, but she failed the "If you weren't playing silly games or had more interest, you would have called instead of blatently disrespecting me" test.

Nonononononono....look man...womans world is emotional - she feels like an emotional response out of you - which is what she'd get from her GIRLFRIENDS is better than nothing, i.e. she wants you to respond like a man, e.g. when she tries her emotional BS, its like water off a ducks back to you - DONT EVEN LISTEN TO HER, I mean HEAR the words, UNDERSTAND what they mean, but DONT INTERNALIZE them as personally relevant, they ain't

So, it's the bottom of the heap for her until she comes crawling back bawling apologizing. If she doesn't straighten up and beg forgiveness - good riddance.

Nope...bad move IMHO, how about you just start doing the above and watch the magic...WARNING: major sh!t-tests to follow as she will be trying to shatter the frame...but...I'd say if you hold strong and pretty cool Valentine's day is in store for you compadre...

It's just SOOO ridiculous calling after a stunt like that and the first thing you say is "Are you mad?" Like, duh, hello?!!! Flashing neon "I'm playing games with you on purpose and calling to see if it worked!" sign.


:flowers: here...this is for your feelings

I can't help but to giggle for calling her a predictable slut and it went right over her head... she might've caught on later when she went running back to her friend and was like "He wasn't mad? Why wasn't he mad? I don't understand! I 'just am what I am'? What's that supposed to mean?"
:woo:

Stop thinking so much...this is MUCH easiers than you making it...

Will it never end?

OK the good new is that NO IT WILL NEVER END and the bad new is that NO IT WILL NEVER END

~ WildCard ~

Veritas Lux Mea

 

[Vulpine]

Love it.

A little of my own advice fed back to me.

First of all, I'm "all over it", not "over it" because there is nothing to be over.

Yeah, I could have ran it tighter in a few places. I could've framed the frame of the frame. I'm not typically one to post this lame stuff, believe me.

She has me pegged? Hardly.

Thinking too much about it? It's a discussion, and I'm irritated by the lameness of it, but you are right.

She has control of the frame? Poking me like a rat?

Dude, the point here is that she's playing a game that I'm tired of.

Ever play chess? Good players will run out 6 or 7 moves or outcomes ahead in their mind. Ever play chess with someone that sucks really bad? The good players will run out 6 or 7 moves ahead and make it a close game so the other person doesn't feel like they got smoked: that way they will play again.

The reality of it is "Let's keep it light", in this instance, was a tip of her cards. Previously, I told her to "keep it light" - then she found out about the other chicks and fled. So, in this context, she said "I'm messing around because my BF is out of town" or something similar. Like foreshadowing, she blew her own scheme before she played it.

I see your point about the button pushing, and the poking the rat thing, but tell me - how much button pushing and rat poking can she do when she isn't in my life? I've already fuxed her, now I need her to act right, the notch is already in the bedpost. Frame? Good post though, thanks for another angle.

 

[Sinistar]

Looks like your 23yo sweetie pie was just lookin' for some drama from the Vulpine. One way to get that drama is to deploy her guilt ejection mechanism by riling you up enough to actually get you angry at which point she'll have her drama PLUS a reason to dump you (probably to get even since she's knows you're spinnin other plates ahead of her). You passed bro, pointless drama session denied I think a fair question is why did she need the drama right then???

 

[edger]

Some constructive criticism here. I would've never said this:

It would be one thing if I didn't EXPECT it from YOU. I keep hoping you'll surprise me, but, you just are what you are. I actually made other plans Monday for Wednesday, that's how predictable you've gotten.

I just would've kept it as "I'm not mad". That would've been grounds to ruffle some feathers.

 

[Nighthawk]

I think you handled things pretty much perfectly.

 

[Vulpine]

I just would've kept it as "I'm not mad". That would've been grounds to ruffle some feathers.

She needed her feathers ruffled, yes? Emotion?

Anyway, whatever... I was surprised to see this thread back up again. That happened like, what, last year or something? Who was this thread about? *scroll, scroll* Oh yeah, too much effort ONS... That chick just had low IL, other plates, rah-rah-rah... she's gone like '06.

 

[Mind_Body_Soul]

I love the "you are what you are" that's gonna roll around in her head for days to come. She'll be crawling back.

 

[Aaron B]

My standard response is "Furious"

 

[wayword]

Vulpine handled it fairly well, but I must admit I was really impressed by WC's even STRONGER FRAME & GAME. Where the hell did this cat come out of?

Anyhow, this chick is clearly running Game, too.

1) Pretending like she forgot your B-day (indirect neg - BRILLIANT!).
2) Setting up a flake (push-pull).

WC is right that while you didn't fall for this bait, you still sorta fell into her frame...without effectively re-framing her with your own stronger frame.

Although I can see your point of "why even bothering" since you already nailed her...still, always good to run solid Game and dominate with your power plays...even if you aren't playing to win. Just on principle, alone.

 

[Vulpine]

Anyhow, this chick is clearly running Game, too.

1) Pretending like she forgot your B-day (indirect neg - BRILLIANT!).
2) Setting up a flake (push-pull).

WC is right that while you didn't fall for this bait, you still sorta fell into her frame...without effectively re-framing her with your stronger frame.

I see how you'd think so. I didn't bother to FR the whole night. I was dropping hammers all night and she was reacting by using the same shi+ back on me later - reworded. It was ultra-weak. Her birthday thing was my olive thing. Her let's keep it light thing was counter to my "Knock it off" shutting down her "making things serious" earlier. She tried it again, "Cram it." Again, shut down. She would use my own stuff back on me 10 minutes to an hour after I just did the same thing to her. Mirroring! Brilliant!

Game? Frame? Setting up a flake? Pushing buttons? She punished herself for the flaking, and she knows it. Instead of getting bounced off my bedroom walls, she wanted to play games: meanwhile, I was rewarding someone else for their good behavior.

This chick was in my house, on my time, by my rules. I guess you'd have to meet me before you understand. Between my acumen and my presence, these games/tips/tricks/gimmicks... :yawn:

You donkeys. I don't have to force a frame. I am the prize. I needed her the least. My value is much higher. That's just how it is. My "frame" is a huge concrete castle around me. My house. If I lower the drawbridge to let anyone in, they can powerplay all they want: they are in my house. If she wants to play games with frames she can go play hopscotch.

Oh, look! She's not around! She must be out somewhere in the village with the rest of the peasants drawing boxes on the ground with chalk.

And Yippee, WildCard just got done reading WMS. She had me pegged alright, she was playing all these games with me and pushing my buttons. Why the games? To build attraction. Why build attraction? Because I was displaying lower IL than she was.

Anyhow, this chick is clearly running Game, too.

Stalemate.

The point of the post wasn't "Oh, help me with game!" or "Did I do this right?" The point was, "Have you guys seen hair-brained schemes hatched out and employed right before your eyes because you had been there many times before, and it's lame, predictable, and old?"

If I needed KBJ armchair theory and PUA advice from women and high school kids that haven't balled a sixteenth of the chicks I have, I'd post in general discussion.

And no, I'm not going to "game for the sake of gaming" a worthless chick. That's RIDICULOUS! I've got far better, more productive sh!t to do. JEEZUHS KRYSTE!!!!

 

[Latinoman]

This woman knows what she is doing. She is indeed very good, because she has something that many men lack: some level of patience to follow through with her plan.

But for the same token, she is very predictable.

So, she is running a very good DJ game on yo by women standards.

However, I have very good news for you...a GREAT DJ woman is never going to be better than a GOOD DJ man.

Why?

Emotional aspects of their nature.


My girlfriend does a lot of test (but she uses a lot of the angry-nice-angry game). However, it did not take me long to see that as I know about every game in the book.

Note:

No need to toss her man - just stop treating her like potential GF material - treat her like a ho and you'll be golden; and here's the gravy - when you do this...she'll start acting like the GF you always wanted...TO TRAP YOU...hahahahahaha...I love this sh!t

Exactly...to trap him. Which is what a lot of women (hibernation theorem) do when they try to trap their man...hide their deficiencies to avoid the deal breakers.