Are toxic men the product of women mistreating guys in general

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

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[Zimbabwe]

100% yes, Players exist because they had their hearts broken by women

Incels exist because they had their hearts broken by women

MGTOW exist because they had their hearts broken by women

The amount of sh*t that men have to deal with when trying to date women is way too high. This is not healthy for society

 

[bat soup]

Women generally have a negative attitude towards men. They shouldn't be surprised when the same negativity is reflected back at them.

 

[Barrister]

100% yes, Players exist because they had their hearts broken by women

Incels exist because they had their hearts broken by women

MGTOW exist because they had their hearts broken by women

The amount of sh*t that men have to deal with when trying to date women is way too high. This is not healthy for society

How men date is dependent on their past experiences from dating - but also a number of other factors. The same can be said for women. So you are correct to an extent. IMO, however, it doesn't necessarily mean they date a certain way because "their heart was broken." The player/playboy may fu*k as many women as he can because it fills some type of void for him on a much deeper level than that his high school sweetheart said see ya later. Probably something from childhood in many cases. The man who has decided to go MGTOW similarily may find that he has gets much more out of life if he puts zero focus on women and simply pursues his hobbies.

 

[KirthWGersen]

If you want a discussion, first you are going to have to define what you mean by "toxic men".

Psychopaths? Rapists? Guys who angry when someone bruises their ego? Men who don't know how to iron their own shirts?

You know, it could mean anything

 

[2Rocky]

Sounds Like Victim Mentality to me.
Go ahead blame other people for your $hitty actions.

 

[Glassguy]

Sounds Like Victim Mentality to me.
Go ahead blame other people for your $hitty actions.

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This ^^^.
Nobody is being held at gunpoint to stick around and let some trashy woman treat them like shyte. Most of the time these men who are beta cucks stick around because they dont have a backbone to leave and put up with it, just like women stay in abusive relationships.

Its a major issued byproduct of a man that lacks an abundance mindset and lives in a world of a scarcity mindset.

You teach people how you want to be treated by how you allow them to treat you.

 

[Kotaix]

"Toxic" men are first and foremost the result of bad upbringing, same as broken/toxic women. It's very hard to take the trash out of a person who grew up trash.

It could be a single mother, alcoholic/abusive/absent father or mother... And that's before we get into life screwing someone over.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

If you've ever saw the lengths that a mother will go to for her son, you'd understand exactly why... Men are taught to disrespect women by women, not men.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

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I agree with @2Rocky here. That is a weak mentality.

So first off, defining "toxic" is important. That in itself is a beast of a discussion but it is important because what society has dimmed toxic is ironically toxic within of itself. But let's say we have an idea of what "toxic men" refers to, are there factors that play into human behavior? Naturally. We are a product of our environment. Both behaviorally and genetically.

However, that is a weak mentality. Especially for a man. So I find it, ironically enough, toxic that we blame female behavior for how men behave nowadays. We, as men, must take responsibility for how we have allowed society to shape us. Men cannot evolve by relying on external factors to define us and guide us. Nor ever have the words "fair" or "victim" existed in men's vocabulary.

Modern Man Advice

 

[AureliusMaximus]

The whole toxic men agenda thing is ridiculous.
There is good humans and there bad humans on both side of the fence, both male and female.

Using the term "toxic men" / "toxic masculinity" is just an excuse to blame everyone else for their own shortcomings.
It's just too easy to blame others for your own faults.

 

[oOh Nasty]

You should have put the word "toxic" in quotes. Today's definition of "toxic" men is a cop out definition and just a shaming tactic for women and soyboys who hate masculinity. There are definitely evil people - rapists and murderers. But at that point, they're not toxic, they're just evil.

CEOs who aren't completely inclusionary and who aren't soft and tender are "toxic." Men who stand their ground are "toxic." Assertiveness is "toxic." Labeling things as such opens the door for gender equality activists to bring up non-existing issues such as gender pay gap.

There are weak men. And there are men who are a bit too psychopathic. So maybe there are a small handful of men that are "toxic" by feminist definition. But I wouldn't say it's enough to warrant starting a discussion about how most men are toxic and that anything resembling masculinity is toxic.

 

[metalwater]

toxic==anyone I do not agree with or is not doing what I want.

 

[SargeMaximus]

If you've ever saw the lengths that a mother will go to for her son, you'd understand exactly why... Men are taught to disrespect women by women, not men.

Lol. Not my mother. And so I’ve practically disowned her

 

[Grounded eagle]

Well that depends on a number of things.There are a myriad of factors that could lead to one being a toxic man.But you’d have to first define what a toxic man is exactly.Definition is important,especially considering that we live in an age where almost everything masculine either is or can be construed as “toxic.”No doubt,some men hate women because women have hurt them time and time again,but some men are just naturally scumbags.Criminals...etc. You need to understand that a lot of what has come to be defined as toxic masculinity today is done with the intention of diluting masculinity and perpetuating women’s positions as victims,a stance they take to engender pity and support from general society(to always get their way)at the expense of men.The major problem is that the majority of men do not know or understand how intersexual dynamics work, and societal programming ensures that few learn naturally.And for those in the know,many never get past the initial stage of anger and outrage of having effectively been lied to all their lives.Then they become “toxic.”So are toxic men the result of disingenuous women?To an extent.

 

[Grounded eagle]

Women generally have a negative attitude towards men. They shouldn't be surprised when the same negativity is reflected back at them.

True.So many women just hate men outright.

 

[derby1]

Toxic men, are men that were Blue pill, but are now out of pills.

so you sit them down with all the evidence and show them the path.

instead of taking the path, they go on a full beta male meltdown rampage, become extremely toxic towards women, and dont appreciate anything you helped them with.

 

[PRW63]

Are toxic men the product of women mistreating guys in general
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It is a self-perpetuating circle. It began with the Sexual Revolution and it's evil Step-Sister "Feminism" of the 1960's. Both men and woman are the victims of it but just in different ways.

But once the process was completed it now just goes in a circle. Feminism ruins women and creates weak men, weak men "accept" the abuse and support more feminism, which ruins more women and creates more weak men.

I come down harder on the men though because,...1....it is a waste of time to try to correct the women,....and,....2.....SOMEONE needs to break the pattern and I think it is up to the masculinity, strength, & leadership that men SHOULD have,...that SHOULD be doing that.

 

[metalwater]

It is a self-perpetuating circle. It began with the Sexual Revolution and it's evil Step-Sister "Feminism" of the 1960's. Both men and woman are the victims of it but just in different ways.

But once the process was completed it now just goes in a circle. Feminism ruins women and creates weak men, weak men "accept" the abuse and support more feminism, which ruins more women and creates more weak men.

I come down harder on the men though because,...1....it is a waste of time to try to correct the women,....and,....2.....SOMEONE needs to break the pattern and I think it is up to the masculinity, strength, & leadership that men SHOULD have,...that SHOULD be doing that.

will never happen, if one man does it, and sometimes they do, that woman will just go to the next man who will tell her anything she wants to hear for about 45 minutes.

 

[PRW63]

will never happen, if one man does it, and sometimes they do, that woman will just go to the next man who will tell her anything she wants to hear for about 45 minutes.

You're right. I do not think it will get fixed. But I am just saying that if it were to get fixed it would have to be up to the men "being men" and countering it. But, you are right,...it will never happen. Western society is headed for a big collapse (in multiple ways),...it isn't going to be stopped. It is at a point where you just have to say "screw it all" and just worry about saving yourself and finding some way to protect yourself from the blast when it detonates.