Are single women who use a sperm bank that moral equivalent of men who use a brothel?

[MatureDJ]

The woman who says that women shouldn't settle, and who went so far as to get impregnanted through a sperm donor got me thinking.

The primary goal of men in life is to have sex with attractive women.

Some men may not be able to get such attractive women, and don't want to settle for sex with unattractive women, or they may have the ability to get attractive women, but don't want to put up with the BS of a relationship, and would rather just fork over some cash to get worry free sex with attractive women.

The primary goal of women is to be fertilized by a high value man.

Some women may not be able to get such a high value man (at least high in their eyes), can only attract an keep a low value value man, or may have the ability to get such a high value man, but don't want to settle, and would rather just fork over some cash and get the sperm of a high value man.

 

[Jitterbug]

Of course not. Men who use brothels do not have the intention to create & raise a child in a single parent family. They also can't sue the brothel for monetary support for their own choice, unlike those women who can sue the sperm donors for child support.

 

[MatureDJ]

I thought donors to a sperm bank were absolved of any legal responsibility.

 

[Jitterbug]

Supposedly. But that doesn't stop a lot of women (mainly single women or lesbian couples) suing the donors. You can google and read about many cases. There was a case in Europe (Scandinavia?) in which the women actually won. Other cases are muddier but at the very least, the donor would have to hire a lawyer and waste a lot of time & money.

 

[iqqi]

The primary goal of women is to be fertilized by a high value man.

Woooord? :crazy:

COME on, tell me you don't believe this!

GoodNESS gracious.

Some women have goals and dreams very similar to mens, that are far meatier than bearing children, some women really do not plan on bearing children at all!

Also... any woman whose main objective in life is to bear some "high value" man's child... that is a red flag!

Besides, getting back to what I think may have been the gist of the thread, I would have to say that bearing and raising a child (LIFE) is a little more of an altruistic goal then just getting laid for pleasure only.

 

[AgonyUncle]

Give me a break. Its selfish to expect a child to be raised by a single parent. Statistically, kids from single parent homes are more likely to become criminals and addicts. They need their fathers and their mothers. Any suggestion otherwise is ****ing absurd. The reason why western society has so many issues these days can be traced back to single parenting as much as anything else.

If her dreams did not include the natural conception of a child, then I dont see how an artificial conception can be justified either. Its a selfish act, and one that hardly comes as a surprise when you consider the sense of entitlement most of the harpies have these days.

I fail to understand why anyone would be in support of single people who are looking to fill a void in their life by having kids they should not be raising alone in the first place.

 

[iqqi]

Give me a break. Its selfish to expect a child to be raised by a single parent. Statistically, kids from single parent homes are more likely to become criminals and addicts. They need their fathers and their mothers. Any suggestion otherwise is ****ing absurd. The reason why western society has so many issues these days can be traced back to single parenting as much as anything else.

If her dreams did not include the natural conception of a child, then I dont see how an artificial conception can be justified either. Its a selfish act, and one that hardly comes as a surprise when you consider the sense of entitlement most of the harpies have these days.

I fail to understand why anyone would be in support of single people who are looking to fill a void in their life by having kids they should not be raising alone in the first place.

Um... I know a LOT of people raised by single parents, and they turned out pretty great.

 

[Jitterbug]

Um... I know a LOT of people raised by single parents, and they turned out pretty great.

Maybe, but being a single parent due to circumstances is vastly different to being one by choice. The latter is purely selfish and stupid.

 

[AgonyUncle]

Um... I know a LOT of people raised by single parents, and they turned out pretty great.

Well that ancedotal evidence just blew my concept of statistical evidence right out the water, didnt it? Please dont pass off your personal experiences as universal law. That is ridiculous.

Single parents raise more deliquents. FACT. If you consider that most single parents are mothers with the custody laws in the USA, then its safe to say that statistically, single mothers raise more deliquents then married ones.

You have yourself a nice day

 

[iqqi]

Maybe, but being a single parent due to circumstances is vastly different to being one by choice. The latter is purely selfish and stupid.

I agree somewhat. I think that if these single people want to be parents, they should adopt a needy child.

But that is as far as I'll go on that one, seeing as family is really more than husband/wife, or two parents. A child would do much better growing up in a strong extended family then a mother/father household that may be unhappy or disfunctional.

Besides, many children START off as the product of two... but many don't end that way. So what's the difference if they start of with one, anyways. Atleast maybe the parent is WILLING and ABLE and READY to raise a child alone.

 

[Jitterbug]

I agree somewhat. I think that if these single people want to be parents, they should adopt a needy child.

No country (that I know of) accepts adoption applications from single people. People who wish to adopt must be in a stable happy marriage (and yes proofs are required) in order to apply. Some countries apply very strict criteria. China for example even specifies that the foster parents must be healthy and they even take into account BMI - meaning that no obese or anorexic people allowed.

Horrible things have been done to adopted children by those who just wanted some exotic human pets and that's why countries around the world are getting stricter about it.

Besides, many children START off as the product of two... but many don't end that way. So what's the difference if they start of with one, anyways. Atleast maybe the parent is WILLING and ABLE and READY to raise a child alone.

You're not serious, are you?

I was raised by both parents in a happy marriage, who have had huge influences on me. I wouldn't want that to be deliberately taken away from any child entering this world.

 

[iqqi]

No country (that I know of) accepts adoption applications from single people. People who wish to adopt must be in a stable happy marriage (and yes proofs are required) in order to apply.

Like Angelina Jolie?

 

[iqqi]

But that is as far as I'll go on that one, seeing as family is really more than husband/wife, or two parents. A child would do much better growing up in a strong extended family then a mother/father household that may be unhappy or disfunctional.

Besides, many children START off as the product of two... but many don't end that way. So what's the difference if they start of with one, anyways. Atleast maybe the parent is WILLING and ABLE and READY to raise a child alone.

You're not serious, are you?

I was raised by both parents in a happy marriage, who have had huge influences on me. I wouldn't want that to be deliberately taken away from any child entering this world.

.... I was just stating a common very common trend.

I came from a single parent home, and mad props to the mom. I wouldn't want anyone to have deliberately made us live with my father.

It works out fine both ways.

Rotten tomatoes come from all patches of life.

 

[Jitterbug]

Like Angelina Jolie?

She wasn't single when she applied. And besides, you can't compare celebrities with normal people.

 

[mzilla2]

I'm wondering how a sperm bank can assure its clients of its donors credentials... I mean physical attributes such as height and ethnic background perhaps yes, but how do they promise minimum standards such as IQ, other genetic qualities, and lack of defects?

Additionally, if a dudes such a perfect specimen, why is he having to toss one off in a cup to score beer $? And for those that do it "altruistically", it seems counter intuitive that such a well qualified male would have any desire to donate his spooge blindly, rather than be involved in selecting a mate to rear his progeny and ensure better odds of success...

So essentially, women are selecting sperm based on the PHYSICAL attributes? Seems even more cursory than even the dogma that is commonly referenced here.

 

[mzilla2]

Supposedly. But that doesn't stop a lot of women (mainly single women or lesbian couples) suing the donors. You can google and read about many cases. There was a case in Europe (Scandinavia?) in which the women actually won. Other cases are muddier but at the very least, the donor would have to hire a lawyer and waste a lot of time & money.

I believe that case is an exception, as the donor knew the couple and desired and maintained contact with the child...

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3947898&page=1

That said, considering the huge liability government ultimately faces from the costs of rearing fatherless children I'm sure, given the feminization of society and ingrained bureaucrats pushing pinko agendas,that some form of liability, for even anonymous donors, will be pushed through soon.

 

[Last Man Standing]

I'm wondering how a sperm bank can assure its clients of its donors credentials... I mean physical attributes such as height and ethnic background perhaps yes, but how do they promise minimum standards such as IQ, other genetic qualities, and lack of defects?

Additionally, if a dudes such a perfect specimen, why is he having to toss one off in a cup to score beer $? And for those that do it "altruistically", it seems counter intuitive that such a well qualified male would have any desire to donate his spooge blindly, rather than be involved in selecting a mate to rear his progeny and ensure better odds of success...

So essentially, women are selecting sperm based on the PHYSICAL attributes? Seems even more cursory than even the dogma that is commonly referenced here.

Good point!

A child is to be created AND raised by two committed individuals - anyone who goes outside of this natural order can expect to create a world of havoc -- as the "single" hor with a baby epidemic is creating havoc and destruction in America!!! This is already proven and has happened and now exists - the single parent experiment is a grand failure and the children and the society are paying the heavy price and so are my taxes!!!!


And no - going to a brothel is not the equivalent to going to a sperm bank to create a life form for one's selfish quest!!

But going to a BROTHEL and having sex with someone who is not your wife is doing the same thing -- not out of love but for sexual pleasure - I don't distinguish between the two except in the form of payment!