Are Neil strauss and Mystery really pickup artists?

[Raikojo17]

but is this stuff really "the game"?. i dont see how this stuff is just simple human nature. because if this was, than wouldnt we all know this already? it's also human nature to make mistakes, but we dont need gurus to write books telling use how to do that.

i dont agree with these guru's opinions. attraction is not a science that can be broken down into techiques and junk. attraction can be unpreditable. sure there are some basic things that turn women on and things that definintly dont work, but their advice is just a bunch of magic tricks and manipulation to get chicks. attraction should be natural, not planned out like sme military strategy.

yes, these guys do make money off of chumps who believe everything they say, because the chumps dont have natural game.

naturals dont need this stuff, and they do get tons more chicks than these so called "gurus". why? because they have natural game, they use their own style and get chicks. they dont have to rely on cheaps tricks and magic to get girls, they get them because they get out there and game with confidence. they do wat they do and dont build their game on top of cheap techniques. they have real game. like being a DJ. DJ's dont use cheap tricks to get women, they use their natural game and learn from experience.

im sure the guys on this site could easily out do the "gurus" how just write books and probably dont have real game.

 

[lookyoung]

Gosens- an honest question. Do you really buy the things that Mystery and style say... You really feel these guys are the biggest pickup artists in the world. Just look at these guys and how they talk to girls.. This is all a show and you have many people buying into this garbage.


Like I said before the game is a good book and an interesting read. It is great for motivation, has some ideas if your totally clueless... But these guys are not PUA's

 

[lookyoung]

Do I believe the things that Mystery and Style say? Yes. Why? What reason do I have NOT to believe what they are saying? Besides, their stuff has also been field tested.

I used to be skeptical about their stuff too. Honestly, I think it's just that so many people have the wrong idea. For example, Raikojo here who thinks all a PUA is about is magic tricks and manipulation...

It has not been proven. It is like a 10th degree blackbelt in karate saying I am the best fighter in the world, and I have a deadly punch, but has never been in a street fight. These guys claim to be the best pickup artists in the world, I can guarantee that they are not.

I am willing to bet many of the guys on sosuave can outclass these bums.

 

[lookyoung]

Dude, just because a guy charges money to teach something doesn't mean he doesnt know what hes talking about.

If Mystey's stuff didnt work he'd be getting bad reviews from his customers, and would be out of business by now. That isn't the case.

Well mystery is a great salesman, and he may give good tips. But just because someone gives good tips, doesn't mean he is a pickup artist. Do you really believe out of 3 billion guys in this world, he is the greatest pickup artist.

I would almost bet my life in it he is not. He is more of a salesman than a pickup artist. I would love to put a hidden camera on him, and let him hit some clubs, and actually see him pickup girls.

Then I could honestly say he is Pua. I have to see something to believe it. Just because someone gives great advice or writes a book, that doesn't mean they are Pickup artists.

 

[Charm]

Well mystery is a great salesman, and he may give good tips. But just because someone gives good tips, doesn't mean he is a pickup artist. Do you really believe out of 3 billion guys in this world, he is the greatest pickup artist.

I would almost bet my life in it he is not. He is more of a salesman than a pickup artist. I would love to put a hidden camera on him, and let him hit some clubs, and actually see him pickup girls.

Then I could honestly say he is Pua. I have to see something to believe it. Just because someone gives great advice or writes a book, that doesn't mean they are Pickup artists.

Mystery is simply a persona. His techniques are what you should focus on understanding and using if they connect with your ability to express them. The goal of learning any of these PUA's techniques is simple: Improve your ability to communicate in order to get what you want.

 

[Lust]

Mystery and Neil Strauss are pick up artists.

You, cannot out game them.

I'm sorry for being so blunt, but i don't think any of you guys could have enough potential to outgame either of the two.

You can disagree and go on about your picking up skills, but i don't believe you can out game these guys.

Along with Ross Jeffries, these guys are the founders of seduction, without these guys, you wouldn't have the seduction community we have now.

They were smart enough to figure that what most people are doing, and what society is telling us to do, is wrong.

They spent YEARS tweaking their game, then they write a book for us to pour in their knowledge into our own skulls.

What do you mean "Are they pick up artists"?

Of course they are, haven't you seen the videos of them in action? You think it's all staged?

I really get sick of the PUAs and DJs that go on thinking they do things differently and undermine the founders, the Anthony Robbins' of seduction.

You want to know why? Because it's put in a materialistic form, that's all.

It's being sold, so people have this frame about it all, well, just because it's down in such a materialistic form doesn't mean it won't work.

Just because these guys are getting filthy rich because of their books, doesn't mean it doesn't work, or they don't deserve it.

 

[Lust]

Well mystery is a great salesman, and he may give good tips. But just because someone gives good tips, doesn't mean he is a pickup artist. Do you really believe out of 3 billion guys in this world, he is the greatest pickup artist.

I would almost bet my life in it he is not. He is more of a salesman than a pickup artist. I would love to put a hidden camera on him, and let him hit some clubs, and actually see him pickup girls.

Then I could honestly say he is Pua. I have to see something to believe it. Just because someone gives great advice or writes a book, that doesn't mean they are Pickup artists.

There are already tonnes of videos with him in action, NO THEY ARE NOT STAGED.

 

[lookyoung]

Lust and too all the other guys on this forum. Look at reply #11 on this thread. Click on the youtube video and tell me what you think. Do you think this guy can seduce any girl he wants. I highly doubt it. He will probably be good friends and hang out with the girls, because the girls see him as a girl.


Woman are more attracted to masculine men, not wimpy, skinny,short, baldguys. Now I am not saying you can't get laid if your all of the above, but you will not be the greatest PUA either.


Like I said before I bet any money he will tell all his students he could of banged Jessica alba that night if he wasn't married. And the sad thing is all his students would believe him.

 

[insanity]

these guys have game. this is their living and that is what they do. they are seduction specialists. where a woman will put up resistance these guys have found loopholes and techniques that have been tried and tested and work. i'm sure getting shot down to them doesn't wreck havoc on their ego. it's more of a chance to learn from their mistakes and find away to get around that resistance.

i have read their stuff. if i didn't have a woman i'd be using this stuff because it's the kind of techniques that i know would work. when i read mystery's venusian handbook it floored me because after reading alot of material overtime their stuff had validity.

some people dog them because i'd say it's jealousy. when pook use to give great tips on this forum there would be always 4 or 5 guys arguing with him saying he was wrong yet he was one of the most respected guys here. i think some people just can't stand that someone else is getting positive attention.

 

[md3sign]

Honestly I think a lot of you guys are jealous. Over the course of a 1.5 years Style found what worked for him. He dedicated almost all of his time to learning the game and picking up chicks, and he succeeded in getting tail. That was his goal. Eventually his goals changed as he became more advanced and in the end he gave it up altogether (he's dating that one chick from Courtney Love's band). He realized there was more to life than chasing women, good for him.

But you can't say he's not a PUA. Yes he uses magic tricks and lines and techniques, but for HIM, it works. Have you ever seen Neil Strauss? He's a short, skinny bald dude who doesn't come off very manly at first glance. So he had to make due with what he had. He learned all this stuff because, well, we live in a superficial world and average looking guys (which IMO he is) have to work harder. He perfected his game from a social standpoint much more than most people here.

Granted, I don't have to go through all that. I think I'm a pretty good looking guy, I'm a bodybuilder so I'm pretty big and bust my ass in the gym 5x/week, and I have no problem taking a girl to the movies on a first date, kissing her before the previews are done, kinoing her nonstop the whole time and then taking her back to my place. THAT works for me. On the other hand, I tried techniques and routines and all that other stuff, and I just don't need it.

Ultimately it's about finding out how to best project your masculinity in your own way.

 

[Latinoman]

Mystery and Neil Strauss are pick up artists.

You, cannot out game them.

I'm sorry for being so blunt, but i don't think any of you guys could have enough potential to outgame either of the two.

I am and have...as I don't buy ANY of their stuff.

 

[Latinoman]

I STRONGLY believe both are great "seducers". After all...they "seduce" a LOT of men into throwing their $$$$$ at them.

But DJs or experts on how to deal with women? I don't know and I don't care. As I KNOW anyone can get women in bars and nightclubs.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Please I do not want to offend anybody. I am not calling out anyone this is strictly for discussion. Many of us think because someone gives great advice that they are a PUA. I think this is far from the truth. Just think about it, guys like shezz, gunwitch on this site. They give great tips but I am sure that many guys on this site and guys in general can out do these guys in real life game.


Neil struass and mystery with there magic tricks. Go to NY or LA and try those magic tricks and see how far you are going to get. I respect these guys mentioned above because they gave me and other guys the drive and included some good tips to sarge girls. But I think they are writers more than they are players.


I know some guys that are great with woman but they can't give advice like these guys above. I guarantee if I could pick 4 guys to go up against these guys in gaming woman for a night my guys would come out on top.


I would love to hit a club with these guys and see how there game works against mine in real life. I really feel that me and others on this site could trump these guys.

In a way these guys are gaming all the AFC's out of millions of dollars. Think about it what would u rather do.

1. Play one on one against lebron james.
2. Fight chuck liddell.
3. Wrestle an olympic wrestler
4. fight mike tyson
5. Race against michael vick.
6. Lift more than a power lifter.
7. Try to hit zitos curve ball.
8. Out game neil strauss and mystery.


Think about it. I don't think anyone on this site can do any of the first 7. But I think many of us can out do the last one.


Lets discuss what do you think...

Dude you obviously never read the book, BECAUSE MOST OF THE BOOK TAKES PLACE IN LA!!!!!

As far as a the other things you stated, I'll never be able to beat Lebron James in on-on-one. I'll get my a$$ kicked if I tried to fight Chuck Lidell. even though I work, I'll probably never be able to lift more than powerful lifter.
If got into the ring with Mike Tyson, I'll literally get killed. Mike Vick is faster than me. I'll only got one hit in 4 yrs of little league so hitting Zito's curve isn't going to happened.

As far as out-gaming Mystery and Style. If I use the techniques illustrated in the book and other sites. With lots of practice, I just might be able to out game them.

You comparison is offed based because your comparing guys with God given talents and abilites, who took those talents and abilities and honed them to freakish levels of excellence. What Mystery and Style did wasn't based on innate ability, but it was learned and useless your a retard, anybody can learn new behavior and stratgeries.

 

[Paradox]

I just don't see the point in saying that Neil strauss and Mystery are not really pickup artists.

Jet Li is not a real Martial artist. Why say something like that?

What's the point?

Mystery has written more about pickups than anyone that I know. Did he steal the material or experience it?

I can write. I just don't spend my time writing about what works and what doesn't in "The Game". I only have 1 or 2 articles in the DJ bible because I never wrote about my technique. Does that mean that I am or am not a Master PUA?

Who here can say wether Mystery is a real PUA or not?

And even if it is SOMEHOW determined that he is not a PUA then so what? He wrote a book. Follow the books advice or don't.

What is the real point of the thread??

 

[lookyoung]

I STRONGLY believe both are great "seducers". After all...they "seduce" a LOT of men into throwing their $$$$$ at them.

But DJs or experts on how to deal with women? I don't know and I don't care. As I KNOW anyone can get women in bars and nightclubs.

LOL I agree 100% with you about them seducing men to throw there money at them. They are great at this.

I just feel that these guys are scam artists for the most part. I did read the game, and I really liked the book. I thought it was a good read.

But most of there techniques will result in failures. To all the guys that are actually paying money to these guys for there workshops- Get out there on the field, and actually find out what works, and doesn't work for you.


I must give these guys some respect however because without them, then this community at sosuave may have never existed.

 

[thirtyplus]

Let's make one thing clear....Mystery is one of the founders of this "community". He pioneered a lot of the tech we take for granted these days.

Neil Strauss, on the other hand, is a total sellout. I remember being in the community and chatting before "Style" ever made the scene at all. Lots of us who have been around longer than him see him as a drop in the bucket -- but a big drop, since he released a book "outing" the entire community and making it more mainstream.

I have respect for Strauss as a journalist and a businessman, but not a PUA.

 

[Raikojo17]

Dude, just because a guy charges money to teach something doesn't mean he doesnt know what hes talking about.

If Mystey's stuff didnt work he'd be getting bad reviews from his customers, and would be out of business by now. That isn't the case.

yea, and all the junk on infomercials doesnt really work all that well either, but are they out of business? no, because enough people still think it works enough to buy them.

as long as there are desperate AFC's tryin to get women, Men like Style and Mystery will be making billions and not go out of business.

 

[lookyoung]

Dude you obviously never read the book, BECAUSE MOST OF THE BOOK TAKES PLACE IN LA!!!!!

As far as a the other things you stated, I'll never be able to beat Lebron James in on-on-one. I'll get my a$$ kicked if I tried to fight Chuck Lidell. even though I work, I'll probably never be able to lift more than powerful lifter.
If got into the ring with Mike Tyson, I'll literally get killed. Mike Vick is faster than me. I'll only got one hit in 4 yrs of little league so hitting Zito's curve isn't going to happened.

As far as out-gaming Mystery and Style. If I use the techniques illustrated in the book and other sites. With lots of practice, I just might be able to out game them.

You comparison is offed based because your comparing guys with God given talents and abilites, who took those talents and abilities and honed them to freakish levels of excellence. What Mystery and Style did wasn't based on innate ability, but it was learned and useless your a retard, anybody can learn new behavior and stratgeries.

No, I did read the book partner. I will tell you what. Next time you go out to a club... Give the ladies a magic trick, and see what happens Maximus and then report your success to me. I am comparing guys that are all the best at what they do, and make millions of dollars.


The first 7 examples show that these guys are the best at what they do. They prove they are the best, they are not scam artists. Basically seeing is believing. I don't see nothing with style and mystery proving anything.


REMEMBER GUYS THESE GUYS ARE MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, CLAIMING TO BE SOMTHING THEY ARE NOT. DON"T BUY THE HYPE.