Are my weight lifts good or bad?

[Jitterbug]

If we're going with genetics, then competing bodybuilders and powerlifters all have genetic advantages (plus having coaches & all that jazz) over the rest of us.

Or maybe not. Maybe they just work damn hard and train well.

As for your need to see us shirtless, well it's a classic logical fallacy. But alright, if you want to see mine, wait a couple of months as I'm still going through fat loss. I promise you'll be the first to see my six-packs.

Have a feeling you'll still attribute that to my genetics though.

 

[CarlitosWay]

If we're going with genetics, then competing bodybuilders and powerlifters all have genetic advantages (plus having coaches & all that jazz) over the rest of us.

Or maybe not. Maybe they just work damn hard and train well.

As for your need to see us shirtless, well it's a classic logical fallacy. But alright, if you want to see mine, wait a couple of months as I'm still going through fat loss. I promise you'll be the first to see my six-packs.

Have a feeling you'll still attribute that to my genetics though.

"classical logical fallacy"? haaaa... Why wait a couple months? only takes 5 mins to take and throw up a back or front pic. Me hate on some else's genetics or attribute all their work to it? Why would I do that? I admire some of the greatest bodybuilders to have walked this earth, Sergio O, Phil Heath, Dorian Yates. I enjoy talking to the many regulars at my gym who compete and have won their share of shows.

I give credit where it's due, I have no reason to hate on anyone. I only despise the many dogmas, the naive thought and plain ignorance I witness many times..

 

[CarlitosWay]

Bodybuilding is men putting on thongs, slathering themselves with oil, and posing on a stage for other men.

No matter what other arguments we have about powerlifting/weightlifting vs bodybuilding, strength vs size, machines vs free weights, etc., this can not be disputed.

Just thought I'd point that out :crackup:

What's the point in bringing that up? Nothing new, the Greeks admired a beautiful aesthetic physique in a civilized way as most of us do today in modern bodybuilding. Yet I could see where one would get all homophobic about it with the speedos and all that. Nope they just don't pose for men, they actually have both female and male fans..

Hey if I had the genetics to do real good in BB, I wouldn't mind posing in front of people in a speedo and getting to hang out back stage with girls of this caliber

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmNE_uNBxSw&feature=fvw
Mindi Smith 1st place winner Phoenix Pro in Figure =)

Branch Warren has a pretty hot wife. Trish Warren http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Actv2-8fBL4. You have no idea how easy it is for these guys to get some ass it's not even funny, especially with them being around all those fitness/figure models/competitors.

This is what I call art, Phil Heath at his best...
back
http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0161.jpg

prob one of the best most muscular I've seen
http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0240.jpg

End of hijack though lol.....

 

[CaptainJ]

The thing I don't like about pro level bodybuilding is that these guys are supposed to be the epitome of an aesthetically pleasing physique, but just look at the pictures, it's quite sickly to see all that steroid pumped muscle with veins bulging out about to explode. I enjoy looking at physique, but I prefer the natural look, not the "showy" "I'm the biggest" look. Someone like Ivan Stoitsov has what I would call the ideal physique, my idea of a true bodybuilder.

It just seems quite wasteful to put so much time and energy into building up a physique that physically disgusts me. But whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

[CarlitosWay]

The thing I don't like about pro level bodybuilding is that these guys are supposed to be the epitome of an aesthetically pleasing physique, but just look at the pictures, it's quite sickly to see all that steroid pumped muscle with veins bulging out about to explode. I enjoy looking at physique, but I prefer the natural look, not the "showy" "I'm the biggest" look. Someone like Ivan Stoitsov has what I would call the ideal physique, my idea of a true bodybuilder.

It just seems quite wasteful to put so much time and energy into building up a physique that physically disgusts me. But whatever floats your boat I guess.

What do you mean? Aesthetic Physiques are making a huge come back guys like Phil Heath, Dexter Jackson etc etc... and the mass monsters aren't really that popular anymore. I'm not a big fan of "mass monsters" either Yet I can't see how Phil Heath isn't the epitome of aestheticism... Yet I won't lie, guys like Markus Ruhl are pretty impressive lol and are fun as hell to watch train.

People also seem to think these guys walk around all year with "veins bulging out about to explode" leanness. Most look way different offseason and I honestly like the off season look better. for one they're pushing more weights off season and I they just look a lot more filled out.

 

[CaptainJ]

What do you mean? Aesthetic Physiques are making a huge come back guys like Phil Heath, Dexter Jackson etc etc... and the mass monsters aren't really that popular anymore. I'm not a big fan of "mass monsters" either Yet I can't see how Phil Heath isn't the epitome of aestheticism... Yet I won't lie, guys like Markus Ruhl are pretty impressive lol and are fun as hell to watch train.

People also seem to think these guys walk around all year with "veins bulging out about to explode" leanness. Most look way different offseason and I honestly like the off season look better. for one they're pushing more weights off season and I they just look a lot more filled out.

It's just the way they are presented: fake tan, tiny thong, greased up, pumped up, some crazy sh1t to make veins pop out and the tacky poses "Check out mah Traps" "check out mah bicepts". I would also prefer it if they moved to the off season season look, with not so much emphasis on mass and definition, but a presentation of a man who's muscles look strong and functional, not just pumped.

Less drugged up looks and a focus on the natural athlete physique would not go amiss. I admire the physiques of people like Ivan Stoitsov and Mariusz Pudzianowski, as there's no pretensions or vanity, just raw power and strength.

 

[CarlitosWay]

It's just the way they are presented: fake tan, tiny thong, greased up, pumped up, some crazy sh1t to make veins pop out and the tacky poses "Check out mah Traps" "check out mah bicepts". I would also prefer it if they moved to the off season season look, with not so much emphasis on mass and definition, but a presentation of a man who's muscles look strong and functional, not just pumped.

Less drugged up looks and a focus on the natural athlete physique would not go amiss. I admire the physiques of people like Ivan Stoitsov and Mariusz Pudzianowski, as there's no pretensions or vanity, just raw power and strength.

lol what would the point be in that ? they would than just look "average" ha

lol love how people throw the word "functional" around...so wha's functional to you? Balancing on a bosu ball doing one legged curls? Mariusz Pudzianowski has a whole **** load of mass and definition. He could literally diet down within weeks and step into a bodybuilding show. OH btw he does train like a bodybuilder alongside all his strongman training http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-1Z1mmJ1io

damn look at all this unfunctional muscle, lack of raw power and strength just heaving slags of iron ....HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE IF THEY'RE BODYBUILDERS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7LztLUNTW8

Kevin Levrone uncrowned Mr. Olympia
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9wo1q_kevin-levrone-bfto-1998-part-1-ches_sport

Damn those "pumped muscles" sure are having a hard time lifting 4+ plates on the flat and incline bench.

Before you throw the steroids this or that comments out, get one thing straight with or without drugs these guys would still stand out amongst crowds in terms of strength/size cause of sheer hard work/intensity and sensible eating (which means eating enough to support the training they're doing).

Ohh...here's another bodybuilder...a Fireman also, doing some weak ass deadlifts...cause yea he's focusing so much on mass and definition he has to use a pansy ass weight for reps. but but but yeah yeah he's using straps and bouncing it I already know I'll hear this. *yawn*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpDJpv-wRI

 

[CaptainJ]

lol what would the point be in that ? they would than just look "average" ha

lol love how people throw the word "functional" around...so wha's functional to you? Balancing on a bosu ball doing one legged curls? Mariusz Pudzianowski has a whole **** load of mass and definition. He could literally diet down within weeks and step into a bodybuilding show. OH btw he does train like a bodybuilder alongside all his strongman training http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-1Z1mmJ1io

damn look at all this unfunctional muscle, lack of raw power and strength just heaving slags of iron ....HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE IF THEY'RE BODYBUILDERS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7LztLUNTW8

Kevin Levrone uncrowned Mr. Olympia
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9wo1q_kevin-levrone-bfto-1998-part-1-ches_sport

Damn those "pumped muscles" sure are having a hard time lifting 4+ plates on the flat and incline bench.

Before you throw the steroids this or that comments out, get one thing straight with or without drugs these guys would still stand out amongst crowds in terms of strength/size cause of sheer hard work/intensity and sensible eating (which means eating enough to support the training they're doing).

Ohh...here's another bodybuilder...a Fireman also, doing some weak ass deadlifts...cause yea he's focusing so much on mass and definition he has to use a pansy ass weight for reps. but but but yeah yeah he's using straps and bouncing it I already know I'll hear this. *yawn*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpDJpv-wRI

Wow... calm it mate. Touchy subject?

Calling someone who isn't covered in a sh1tload of mass, or doesn't have "Perfectly" defined pecs and bicep peaks, the average Joe is a hugely narrow minded viewpoint. There are other aspects too, and all to often people trying to get the "Perfect" mass, or the "perfect" definition just look inhuman. I would rather have someone with a natural strong body type, but never did I say bodybuilders didn't have functional strength, i said that they focus too much on getting that right bicep peak when it's so immaterial to the whole physique. I know Mariusz Pudzianowski is not a good example of drugfree training, but he exhibits the ideals of the strong physique without all the pretensions of the Pro-Bodybuilder photoshoot

You've totally misunderstood what I'm saying and you're getting all defensive about Bodybuilding, when I'm even saying I admire the ideals of bodybuilding and creating a aesthetic physique. Hell, I know half of the reason why i do strength training is to create that ideal physique. What i don't like is the greased up, tacky, fakeness of professional Bodybuilding. That scale of vanity is for chicks not men. We don't need fake tan or tight thongs to look manly. So please think harder before you fly into a defensive tirade and twist my words.

 

[ATX1001]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4GzrW2-ovM

Is there anyone who doesn't get motivated to train their arms when you see someone curling 140 kg for four reps? :rockon: And closing CoC 4 two times... and benching 270 kg.

Well, not that I could curl anywhere near that weight.... but it does look (from the first rep) like he cheats a bit and throws it up there.

But even if he could "only" curl 100kg properly... well, it's more than I'll ever be able to.

 

[CarlitosWay]

Well, not that I could curl anywhere near that weight.... but it does look (from the first rep) like he cheats a bit and throws it up there.

But even if he could "only" curl 100kg properly... well, it's more than I'll ever be able to.

I don't use cheating on every rep but will use a bit a body english towards the end of my top sets and grind out some more...especially if it's a rest pause set or something. Trick is to make sure you do it after being properly warmed up or the risk of tearing so goes up a lot.

 

[CarlitosWay]

Wow... calm it mate. Touchy subject?

Calling someone who isn't covered in a sh1tload of mass, or doesn't have "Perfectly" defined pecs and bicep peaks, the average Joe is a hugely narrow minded viewpoint.

There are other aspects too, and all to often people trying to get the "Perfect" mass, or the "perfect" definition just look inhuman. I would rather have someone with a natural strong body type, but never did I say bodybuilders didn't have functional strength, i said that they focus too much on getting that right bicep peak when it's so immaterial to the whole physique. I know Mariusz Pudzianowski is not a good example of drugfree training, but he exhibits the ideals of the strong physique without all the pretensions of the Pro-Bodybuilder photoshoot

You've totally misunderstood what I'm saying and you're getting all defensive about Bodybuilding, when I'm even saying I admire the ideals of bodybuilding and creating a aesthetic physique. Hell, I know half of the reason why i do strength training is to create that ideal physique. What i don't like is the greased up, tacky, fakeness of professional Bodybuilding. That scale of vanity is for chicks not men. We don't need fake tan or tight thongs to look manly. So please think harder before you fly into a defensive tirade and twist my words.

We just have two different perspectives of things and so this is life, you have your own opinion and I have mine.

Yet when I hear some one subtly bash body building saying **** about using fake tans and tight thongs (actually speedos FTR)trying to look manly. Well is plain disrespectful to some of the people I know and all the others who have bodybuilding as their raw passion and hobby . I know a few of these guys and they're the most down to earth, coolest most intelligent MEN you'll ever meet, With respectful careers and families. Who says they do it to look manly ? I don't get this. They freakin' do it to show all their hard earned work done day in day out training and in the kitchen for the judges to see and evaluate against the other competitors. These guys love the training and results (doing it for themselves) part better than competing. Winning/competing in a show is just icing on the cake and is mostly for the fans.

The only people trying to look manly are the guys who think they know about training, but look the exact same after 10 years of "hardcore" training.

 

[CaptainJ]

We just have two different perspectives of things and so this is life, you have your own opinion and I have mine.

Yet when I hear some one subtly bash body building saying **** about using fake tans and tight thongs (actually speedos FTR)trying to look manly. Well is plain disrespectful to some of the people I know and all the others who have bodybuilding as their raw passion and hobby . I know a few of these guys and they're the most down to earth, coolest most intelligent MEN you'll ever meet, With respectful careers and families. Who says they do it to look manly ? I don't get this. They freakin' do it to show all their hard earned work done day in day out training and in the kitchen for the judges to see and evaluate against the other competitors. These guys love the training and results (doing it for themselves) part better than competing. Winning/competing in a show is just icing on the cake and is mostly for the fans.

The only people trying to look manly are the guys who think they know about training, but look the exact same after 10 years of "hardcore" training.

Again, I didn't bash Bodybuilding, but an aspect of it. i agree with you, those men work bloody hard for what they do and I respect that. It's the shows that I don't like.

but anyway we have different opinions, and nothing can alter that.

 

[Jitterbug]

Professional bodybuilders look nothing like the human ideal aesthetics. Sorry, it's the truth. Look at arts: paintings & statues of ideal human male physiques, from ancient Greco-Roman time. Does any of them look like a typical pro bodybuilder? Nope. They look more like an Olympic weightlifter, sprinter or MMA pro, or elite CrossFit fellas.

I have high respect for bodybuilders' hard work and knowledge of nutritions & training. I don't admire their physique, nor the show they do.

 

[MikeBrown30]

I'm 5'9'' 155lbs...goal is 170-175lbs.

Basically, I watch youtube videos of proper lifting techniques and go to the gym and lift. I'm not an expert nor do I have a personal trainer.

The exercises I do are...

Dumbbell Curls - 40lbs
Bench Press - 145lbs
Squats - 185lbs
Dead Lift - 185lbs
Shoulder Shrugs - 70lbs

Reps 5x5

Is this good for someone my body weight? I'm also doing the GOMAD diet. Any tips to put on more weight? How often should I increase the weight?

No, you are skinny and weak. Eat more, train harder.

 

[CarlitosWay]

I read this in another forum and gets a great point across about this "extreme vanity" so many try to point out about bodybuilding....

There is also a billion dollar industry for music, haircare products, and designer jeans. People are really ****ing vain and they have been since the beginning of time. Yet, for some strange reason, people can only note the vanity of bodybuilders openly with insult yet think this is socially acceptable.

Vanity is present in the skinny jeans these dorks are wearing on this site as they cut off their circulation and ability to breed.

Vanity is present in every jackass who actually wishes his name was "The Situation".

It's present in people who can't afford gas but are driving Hummers to work.

It's present in that girl who has the word "delicious" written across her ass in glitter and rhinestones.

Bodybuilders are not and never have been the gatekeepers to vanity. They simply wear their hard work literally on their sleeve at all times.....while that girl eventually has to take her pants off.

 

[CarlitosWay]

We're not talking about skinny jeans or Humvees. We're talking about bodybuilding. You have to admit, it's incredibly gay.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWubJ5OrmjE

Lol you could have put up a way better video for flagrant ridiculing, than a video of arguably one of the most legendary bodybuilders of all time. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not a huge fan of the super heavy weight mass monsters. Yet I still find myself impressed by behemoths of that caliber. I have enough respect for those guys to at least acknowledge all their hard work. That's shown on and off the stage and not throw insults from behind a keyboard. Yet this is the wonderful internet after all....nothing new.:rock:

Anyways I'd rather look like that @41 than some 41 year old guys I see on the verge of full blown obesity scooting around on electric scooters all day. Yet let's not add any more insult to injury. As You have greatly hurt Ronnie Coleman's feelings with the "it's incredibly gay" comment. :yawn:

Like I mentioned before also, I like their offseason relatively lean look and training the best. now you could have at least given him the courtesy of putting up a video of what he does best alongside his "incredibly gay" routines done in speedos, Ronnie is at his best just tearing **** up in the gym BEAST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJoPuGff8bM :box:

 

[Alle_Gory]

Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe the OP wants to do strength training rather than bodybuilding?

Of course not. He mentioned he wants to put on some size. I gave him some advice to help him put on some size faster than his current routine... with the benefits of strength to boot. More muscle = more strength.

I must be a mind reader or something. I gave him exactly what he needs.

otherwise you are just going to confuse them.

I really hope he doesn't get confused so easy.