"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Approaching girls at retail stores?

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Well, I just found out about this site the other day, read through some threads and I must say theres A LOT of useful/interesting info here. Anyway, I visited my friend(guy) who works at a clothing retail store and noticed there a few cute girls working there but didn't stay long cause I had to go. My question is, would it be fine to approach em using any sort of openers or would it be a bad idea since I might be bothering them working?? I was thinking of the HUMAN LIE DETECTOR opener but it seems like a long opener. I've never done this kind of thing before and i have AA also. Any tips or comments would be appreciated :D
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

Read more...

Metaphysical

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DO NOT approach girls working retail. that is the stupidest thing i've seen guys do. they start talking to a cashier or a waitress and because the girl acts nice to them, they suddenly think the girl is interested.

its the farthest from the truth!

these girls are PAID and OBLIGATED to be nice to you. don't bother them while they're trying to earn a living by hitting on them like that.. jeez.

theres hundreds of women even thousands of women who go out with the sole intention of meeting a man and taking him home... go to a club and you will see them... freezing their a$$es in the -20 degrees weather wearing MINISKIRTS just so they get a man to look at them.
 

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I'm no expert I'll tell you that right off the bat.
Now it is ok. A indirect approach would work best for you I think
because you got AA.
Your conversation should be relevant to the situation.
What I mean is if your there for some cloths then you could say
Hi I need some help picking out some shirts and I need a ladies
opinion. Be fun, charming, confident, open minded.
 

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Good practice talking to girls, but they are forced to be nice to everyone so you might just be annoying them.
 

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Metaphysical said:
these girls are PAID and OBLIGATED to be nice to you. don't bother them while they're trying to earn a living by hitting on them like that.. jeez.
This is not entirely true.

They're paid and obligated to serve you. In some cases (wait staff at a restaurant, for example), they can get paid a little extra sometimes if they're nice to you (in the form of a tip).

That doesn't stop me from chatting up people in retail/workplace settings if the situation is appropriate. Talking to a barista making a coffee isn't going to hurt anyone, especially if they're slow and you're the only customer she's helping.

Consequently, I know just about every waitress / waiter who works downtown near my office and I'm on first name basis with most of the baristas at the Starbucks I stop in.

Will it help you game? Maybe, maybe not. At worst, though, you improve your conversation skills, maybe score a few free coffees, and have great social proof if you ever decide to take someone on a date to a place you're known.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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so in other words, I should avoid using any specific openers and instead just strike up a convo pertaining to the store? I don't want to come of bothering her since she's working but I would like to "number close" if possible.
 

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take care of business and wait for the signal, if they want to talk more body language is where its at. pay attention to that mostly and respond to her. just always assume she isn't interested, that way you don't make a fool of yourself. also gives you the power when she shows interest. chicks on the market are craving attention, you don't give her any and she will be trying hard to get your attention if she needs some cawk. 2 cents
 
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