upsidedownside7
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These bootcamps and methods are very ballsy but it's just too much pressure for someone like me. I know these approach has changed some lives but I'm a lurker of this site and I guarantee you not everyone will like the method of cold approaching and getting a number instantly.
I like to do them in a relaxed environment, not the street or anyplace where people get freaked out. It reminds people of needy salespeople. Not that it doesn't work, but I haven't heard of anyone getting a quality woman this way. I'm look for sexiness and someone whom I can stand.
Basic rule: You certainly don't need gargantuan muscles or an armani suit to be successful with women. There's not a significant correlation between looks and success with women. If a woman just likes my body, I'd next her. Those kinds of girls can be cancers. For success you do need to qualify the standard of woman culture. Be in shape, look clean, don't act like an idiot. That's it. There are so many posts on here to elaborate but I won't go on. If you have those three you'll be fine. Just don't get caught striving to achieve a six pack, 17 inch guns or anything like that before attempting approaches. Total waste of time. You probably look better than 80% of the dorks she's dated. As long as a woman respects you and enjoys your company, you have a good chance.
I follow a 5 step model I learned in sales. The Model of Control.
1. Open
2. Qualify
3. Question
4. Position
5. Close
1. Watch for some eye contact and move in casually. Smile, say hi and be pleasent to be around. Everyone knows to exchange names but remember to do it. Being a man doesn't mean being alpha or forcing her to see you as a man, you should be one by simply leading and taking control when needed. Be relaxed and show some animation. This is where you can use fluff talk like "watcha doin here?" "oh, I really liked that book!" Whatever...
2. This is the stage where you qualify her. This isn't to show her your the man or whatever. This is so you know whether she's single, what kind of lifestyle she partakes in, what you have in common. Figure out the 3-4 most important qualities your looking in a woman and ask them in an indiscreet way. This way your not wasting your time with a psycho ***** or someone who has a BF.
basic ex: You want to know whether she's at a bar with anyone
"Everyone seems to be here with their friends. What happened to yours?"
Whatever, just don't say "are you single?" "how much do you make?" "will you blow me?" or anything idiotic.
3. Questioning-Playa supreme put it best by leading a conversation and getting to know that person. Even memorize some topics you know you want to discuss and ask her those. Conversation is like music, you'll need spaces and it's a 2 way street. Talk all day, she'll get bored. Let her talk 90% of the time, it's boring for you and she won't get to know you. Trust me, you want her to know you or she'll forget you. Let her talk a bit more but don't be afraid to share similar experiences and funny stories. Show animation! Most important thing I can stress. If I was trying to set you up with a woman but said in a monotone voice she's nice, plays the trombone and has a dog, you wouldn't be very excited. If I used excitement, stressed what a smooth and plump ass she had and her sexy blue eyes sparkled with her long straight blonde hair hanging down her back, half of you guys will probably be aroused. This is the meat and potatos of the MOC.
4. Position-Alright well what do you want? Do you want to get her number? Take her out? Bang her? Be smooth and tell her that's what you want to do. You don't want to position this in a way where she can say "no". Position what you want because she won't do it for you.
what not to do "are you free on friday?"
what to do "wow, this has been fun! This Friday there's a party at 'so & so', I'd like it if you came."
5. Close: Excuse yourself, get the contact info and tell them it was a pleasure.
notes: Sometimes it's just not in the cards...rejection will come. Get used to it. Techniques such as Gunwitch's, ****y funny, etc. you can use in any phase. I don't use much of that stuff anymore. The best success I've gotten is to treat women as if their children. I don't say their brats but if they use poor grammar I'll say "watch out shakespeare, here comes Sarah!" It's funny. Sarcasm is a lost tool my friends. Besides from that I do my own thing. A ****y funny line isn't going to make someone be attracted to you. If a woman sees you as a dork and you pull some ****y/funny line she won't view you any different. If someone who she finds attractive says something ****y/funny, she'll of course laugh and love it. Compliments work the same way.
This usually takes 10-15 minutes to do. All I'm doing is providing a structure to make this process as efficiently as possible. Good luck gentlemen!
I like to do them in a relaxed environment, not the street or anyplace where people get freaked out. It reminds people of needy salespeople. Not that it doesn't work, but I haven't heard of anyone getting a quality woman this way. I'm look for sexiness and someone whom I can stand.
Basic rule: You certainly don't need gargantuan muscles or an armani suit to be successful with women. There's not a significant correlation between looks and success with women. If a woman just likes my body, I'd next her. Those kinds of girls can be cancers. For success you do need to qualify the standard of woman culture. Be in shape, look clean, don't act like an idiot. That's it. There are so many posts on here to elaborate but I won't go on. If you have those three you'll be fine. Just don't get caught striving to achieve a six pack, 17 inch guns or anything like that before attempting approaches. Total waste of time. You probably look better than 80% of the dorks she's dated. As long as a woman respects you and enjoys your company, you have a good chance.
I follow a 5 step model I learned in sales. The Model of Control.
1. Open
2. Qualify
3. Question
4. Position
5. Close
1. Watch for some eye contact and move in casually. Smile, say hi and be pleasent to be around. Everyone knows to exchange names but remember to do it. Being a man doesn't mean being alpha or forcing her to see you as a man, you should be one by simply leading and taking control when needed. Be relaxed and show some animation. This is where you can use fluff talk like "watcha doin here?" "oh, I really liked that book!" Whatever...
2. This is the stage where you qualify her. This isn't to show her your the man or whatever. This is so you know whether she's single, what kind of lifestyle she partakes in, what you have in common. Figure out the 3-4 most important qualities your looking in a woman and ask them in an indiscreet way. This way your not wasting your time with a psycho ***** or someone who has a BF.
basic ex: You want to know whether she's at a bar with anyone
"Everyone seems to be here with their friends. What happened to yours?"
Whatever, just don't say "are you single?" "how much do you make?" "will you blow me?" or anything idiotic.
3. Questioning-Playa supreme put it best by leading a conversation and getting to know that person. Even memorize some topics you know you want to discuss and ask her those. Conversation is like music, you'll need spaces and it's a 2 way street. Talk all day, she'll get bored. Let her talk 90% of the time, it's boring for you and she won't get to know you. Trust me, you want her to know you or she'll forget you. Let her talk a bit more but don't be afraid to share similar experiences and funny stories. Show animation! Most important thing I can stress. If I was trying to set you up with a woman but said in a monotone voice she's nice, plays the trombone and has a dog, you wouldn't be very excited. If I used excitement, stressed what a smooth and plump ass she had and her sexy blue eyes sparkled with her long straight blonde hair hanging down her back, half of you guys will probably be aroused. This is the meat and potatos of the MOC.
4. Position-Alright well what do you want? Do you want to get her number? Take her out? Bang her? Be smooth and tell her that's what you want to do. You don't want to position this in a way where she can say "no". Position what you want because she won't do it for you.
what not to do "are you free on friday?"
what to do "wow, this has been fun! This Friday there's a party at 'so & so', I'd like it if you came."
5. Close: Excuse yourself, get the contact info and tell them it was a pleasure.
notes: Sometimes it's just not in the cards...rejection will come. Get used to it. Techniques such as Gunwitch's, ****y funny, etc. you can use in any phase. I don't use much of that stuff anymore. The best success I've gotten is to treat women as if their children. I don't say their brats but if they use poor grammar I'll say "watch out shakespeare, here comes Sarah!" It's funny. Sarcasm is a lost tool my friends. Besides from that I do my own thing. A ****y funny line isn't going to make someone be attracted to you. If a woman sees you as a dork and you pull some ****y/funny line she won't view you any different. If someone who she finds attractive says something ****y/funny, she'll of course laugh and love it. Compliments work the same way.
This usually takes 10-15 minutes to do. All I'm doing is providing a structure to make this process as efficiently as possible. Good luck gentlemen!
