"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Another lowering standards thread.

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Alphamale1821

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why are you the world biggest AFC are you ugly or something, i already can tell you have little self esteem and no confidence. What kind of chicks u trying to going for? if your ugly or average at least try to gain some confidence to make up for your avg/ug looks
 

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I tried that once...I still couldn't get the girls that I considered "below" me in terms of looks:confused:
 

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unattractive chicks often think they're out of your league as well, I bet. Just ignore what they think. Focus on yourself

Lowering your standards can work alright in theory, but if you lower them too much, you'll wind up dating someone so low-quality (physically, emotionally, or both) that you would be better off single. Also, the higher your standards are, the more critical you are of women, and the more you will lead them and make them earn your affection. If you lower your standards without changing your attitude, you'll have to keep lowering them forever because EVERY girl will feel like she's better than you.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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unattractive chicks often think they're out of your league as well, I bet
True, I got described by a chick that wouldn't have a chance in hell with me if I was blind drunk as 'ewwwwwwwwwwwww'. Yet I've hooked up with girls people consider HB 9/10s.

Do attractive girls actually have fairly higher standards that average/unnatractive girls? Perhaps guys just never have the confidence to aproach them, and therefore they don't have a lot of confidence, or in any case don't believe they deserve someone hot or are hot themselves. Or maybe they actually are hit on a lot more. Hmm this is going nowhere..

Anyway I think your problem is confidence. You are always posting self-depreciating threads... Unless you have ridiculous standards, talk to some people and see how well your standards match up with thew standards of other guys. Any chance of you putting up a pic?
 

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Yep I agree, UGs aren't always easy to get as crazy as that is. They can be really outgoing trying to get a guy but some of them turn very bitter as well. So you may as well get the women you're attracted to instead of dabbling with UGs.

If this were any other problem in life you'd focus on the solution rather than the problem. When you stop focusing on the problem and start focusing on the solution things will start to change. What would it take for you to have a life surrounded by beautiful women, that is the question. I assure you there are options.
 

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LostAndConfused said:
Simply put, how is this done? Because its obvious I have no hope in going for the chicks that attract me.
Well -

If you dont have looks get money if you dont have money get looks if you have no looks or money you are screwed.....

Some will say good game can save you but good game only works if a woman lets you run your game on her which she will seldom do if you have no looks and or no money...LOL

Things are so bad now that even ugly women are rejecting ugly and broke dudes..
 

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You want to lower your standards? Do you not want the best for yourself? Maybe you just need to change what your looking for in women, but not lower your standards.
 

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I used to be the same way when i was 17: only going for the gold, which is why i only had 2 GFs by the time i got out of high school. Nowadays i have high standards because i have a couple of hot FBs on the side so i don't have to settle for anything i find. but when i m hurting i ll go for any chick that s kinda cute and not fat.

i guess what i came to realize since i was 17 is that it s always good to get your dyck wet. And some of the girls i ve been with who were not top model material turned out to be huge freaks in bed, which def compensates for their lack of looks.

my advice to you: you need to get good at sex before going to college (or into the real world). so settle for any girl who you are remotely attracted to and fvck the **** out of her, 2-3 times a day. Don't look at it as lowering your standards, look at it as practice. If you are good in bed, if you know that you can satisfy a girl, your confidence will increase automatically. The reverse is also true: if you re 20+ with no experience in that departement your confidence will decrease and you will find it harder and harder to f-close.

when you re 17 a girl will not judge you too harshly for not being a hero between the sheets, mainly because she doesn't have THAT much more experience herself. She will most likely be willing to learn together with you

when you re 25 and can't fvck right you got a big problem on your hands because girls will view you as a failure and few will have the patience to wait it out until you get better

so get your practice in now! shag that kinda cute girl who always says hi during 3rd period for a few good months and the world will be yours in the future!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Hey guys, really appreciate the replies! :up:


Yeah obsidian you are probably right. Thing is, I may be forced to be going for those ugly chicks. You make two really good points though....

*The thing is, as its been said to me before I need companionship, so I might have to just swim in the mud with a very low-quality girl.
*Its hard to focus on myself when myself isn't even getting in good conversations with chicks, much less getting action, during my peak years of dating.

SinJester said:
Do attractive girls actually have fairly higher standards that average/unnatractive girls? Perhaps guys just never have the confidence to aproach them, and therefore they don't have a lot of confidence, or in any case don't believe they deserve someone hot or are hot themselves. Or maybe they actually are hit on a lot more. Hmm this is going nowhere..

Anyway I think your problem is confidence. You are always posting self-depreciating threads... Unless you have ridiculous standards, talk to some people and see how well your standards match up with thew standards of other guys. Any chance of you putting up a pic?
Where I'm from at least, attractive girls actually DO have the leisure of having high standards. One fact (among several) that I find CONTRARY to what people say on SoSuave is that the hot girls actually DO get hit on...alot. They often say here, probably to give courage to the newbies, that the really hot girls are never hit on because every guy is scared to hit on them. From MY experience, this is FAR from the truth. Of course the chicks can be single, but there's always some guy, either at my school or from another school trying to game the chick.

And yeah, my problem is confidence. Last year when I played soccer, the coach told me I wasnt on varsity because I wasn't confident enough, even though I was more skilled than most the players out there. But hey I'm stuck in that vicious circle, trying to find any possible way out. Now I realized that I should just find success in gaming more insecure less attractive girls.

Why's a picture needed though man?

everywomanshero said:
If this were any other problem in life you'd focus on the solution rather than the problem. When you stop focusing on the problem and start focusing on the solution things will start to change. What would it take for you to have a life surrounded by beautiful women, that is the question. I assure you there are options.
Only thing is, the solution is to 1. gain confidence, 2. score women. I have no clue how to get there, so if I fix the problem couldn't I get to the solution that way?

tick37 said:
You want to lower your standards? Do you not want the best for yourself? Maybe you just need to change what your looking for in women, but not lower your standards.
Too many external/physical/appearance based limitations to get what I want now. Perhaps the best for me is a low-quality chick.

DonGorgon said:
Well -

If you dont have looks get money if you dont have money get looks if you have no looks or money you are screwed.....

Some will say good game can save you but good game only works if a woman lets you run your game on her which she will seldom do if you have no looks and or no money...LOL

Things are so bad now that even ugly women are rejecting ugly and broke dudes..
Well I thought I was good looking for a while but I realized I'm actually a 3/10 at best. Thing is, I'm 17 so I don't have any money.

No money + terrible looks = no women....as much as its said otherwise on this forum, PRECISELY because what I bolded in your quote. She won't even let you game her.

drak_ool said:
my advice to you: you need to get good at sex before going to college (or into the real world). so settle for any girl who you are remotely attracted to and fvck the **** out of her, 2-3 times a day. Don't look at it as lowering your standards, look at it as practice. If you are good in bed, if you know that you can satisfy a girl, your confidence will increase automatically. The reverse is also true: if you re 20+ with no experience in that departement your confidence will decrease and you will find it harder and harder to f-close.

when you re 25 and can't fvck right you got a big problem on your hands because girls will view you as a failure and few will have the patience to wait it out until you get better

so get your practice in now! shag that kinda cute girl who always says hi during 3rd period for a few good months and the world will be yours in the future!
Now if only it were possible that I could even get to such target practice...
 

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You people are confusing this whole deal. Let me give you my definition of what "lowering your standards" means

Lowering your standards: going for a girl which you have NO ANIMAL MAGNETISM WITH!

we have to define what lowering standards means. If we are talking about forgetting about the hot blonde cheerleaders we always wanted, and instead going for the cute brunette in class who has the face of an angel but the poor thing has no butt or boobs but is cute nontheless and still makes you hard, NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS!

if lowering your standards means you are thinking of getting it on with any wild beast you can find who will give you a good time even if you don't have any sort of animal magnetism with this girl, that would be bad!

the key word here is ANIMAL MAGNETISM. If the cute brunette who isn't hot and doesn't know how to dress to make herself look good gives you animal magnetism, then by all means that is not lowering your standards. Standards should be based on animal magnetism/attraction. This is why guys are attracted to the hot girls but also can be attracted to a hb 6 because she gives of animal magnetism to this guy but to some guys she doesn't give off anything. Attraction is based on the individual.

you are not lowering your standards when going for girls on the lower range of the looks scale if that girl happens to attract you. Lowering your standards is going for girls that don't give you animal magnetism.
 
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