Another friend zone thread... HELP!

[worship]

Hello all, first time posting here.

There's this very attractive girl and we started hanging out recently (around 3 weeks so far) and I've fallen in love with her. You all know the story. Anyway, since I was so majorly clueless and inexperienced with women I tried to be her friend at the start to try win her over (ugh, AFC). But since I love this girl so much I decided that I need to learn the truth about women - and what better place than the internet to get started.

And now that I have SOME clue of how to attract females (most notably: kino, push-pull, ****y + funny), I was trying to figure out how exactly I can work these into our current relationship which is coming too close to being just friends (if not already). You see, from what I've read on attracting females, nothing has really covered what to do when you're in the friends zone and need to turn a non-sexual relation into a sexual one via these methods with examples.

I'm going to make it easy to reply to my thread and just list the difficulties I've encountered and could you use examples (if applicable) of pretty much exactly what to say/do in these situations - I learn a lot faster that way, lol. Also keep in mind I am very shy so I seriously cannot do some things unless I build up comfort and confidence about the situation first.

1. She still doesn't know I like her - or doesn't act like it, at least - but I told her I thought she was the hottest girl I know. Bad idea, wasn't it? I was thinking I could bring this topic back up, this time with some push-pull methods, perhaps? Any idea of what I could say? I might find it hard to bring up this topic unless I have something prepared and comfortable to say.

2. What should be my next step in terms of kino? So far this is what we've done, off the top of my head:

• Her touching my shoulder/arm when making a point/joke.
• Her leaning her head on me when watching a movie.
• Sleeping in the same bed with our arms/legs touching.
• Having our legs touch when sitting next to each other.
• Play fighting/tickling.
• I gave her a massage (she asked).
• I ran my fingers along her back, like another massage (she asked).

I think I should initiate more of the kino; what is appropriate and is there any specifically comfortable ones that I should try? I don't feel that our relationship is up to the stage where I can try to kiss her or anything.

3. Even though I am nowhere near as bad as the suck-ups that I have seen try hook up with this girl, I still get the feeling she thinks I'm too nice. When I first met her I acted nicely (but not too nicely because I didn't want to seem like a suck-up, thank god), but she knows I am a very nice person as she has seen me hang around my friends and I always end up being the one that has to do **** for them or takes **** from them. Luckily I realised that being nice to win over girls was BULL**** around after the first week and since then I have been slowly working towards equilibrium by making her do stuff for me, not just the other way around. In fact, yesterday she was complaining to me about how I always make her do stuff for me LOL. (But she would love it though, right? Because she is a 'princess' and is used to guys drooling all over her and doing everything for her, haha.) But when I do act like this, sometimes she says "why are you being grumpy/mean/etc?". So is this the good way to go about this? Should I aim to get her doing everything for me, or is that too much?

4. We've hung out pretty much every day since I met her, she messages me a lot asking to hang out. Every time she asked I have complied. Should I act unavailable or something? Anything specific I can say in this situation? Keep in mind that not seeing her for 3 or so days is just not possible... and not just because I feel that I can't live without her.

5. How can I go about changing the prizability in the relationship? It currently feels that she is the prize - which I expected at the start since she is so attractive and I'm just above average. But I want to be the prize!

6. Whenever we hang out she usually drops me off home after, and all I say is 'thanks for the lift'. No kino or anything. There has to be something I can do in this situation right?

7. I shouldn't ever tell this girl I like her first, but instead should attempt to attract her and let her make the first move, right?

8. Any very basic/simple and proven push-pull examples/****y+funny jokes that I could steal would be greatly appreciated too!

Thank you.

 

[user43770]

From the kino examples, it sounds like she wants to fvck. Either that, or you're pretty fvcking far gone into the friend zone.

If it was me, I'd start trying to hang out with her in more intimate situations, eventually trying to kiss her. If she turns down your advances, then it's time to start slowly withdrawing your attention.

 

[MisterMcGee]

1. She still doesn't know I like her - or doesn't act like it, at least - but I told her I thought she was the hottest girl I know. Bad idea, wasn't it? I was thinking I could bring this topic back up, this time with some push-pull methods, perhaps? Any idea of what I could say? I might find it hard to bring up this topic unless I have something prepared and comfortable to say.

Distance yourself from her. Stop being a 'friend' to her and simply treat her like just another person. Let her chase you for your attention, this is the first step.

2. What should be my next step in terms of kino? So far this is what we've done, off the top of my head:

• Her touching my shoulder/arm when making a point/joke.
• Her leaning her head on me when watching a movie.
• Sleeping in the same bed with our arms/legs touching.
• Having our legs touch when sitting next to each other.
• Play fighting/tickling.
• I gave her a massage (she asked).
• I ran my fingers along her back, like another massage (she asked).

I think I should initiate more of the kino; what is appropriate and is there any specifically comfortable ones that I should try? I don't feel that our relationship is up to the stage where I can try to kiss her or anything.

Means she's simply comfortable with you, and this is an example of 'too much' comfort. You can do all this stuff and she feels like it means nothing since there's no sexual tension to these acts, it's simply friendliness, like petting a dog. Back off. If she initiates, either go in hard and intimately (eye contact) or tease her in a playful sense, but don't be friendly about it.

3. Even though I am nowhere near as bad as the suck-ups that I have seen try hook up with this girl, I still get the feeling she thinks I'm too nice. When I first met her I acted nicely (but not too nicely because I didn't want to seem like a suck-up, thank god), but she knows I am a very nice person as she has seen me hang around my friends and I always end up being the one that has to do **** for them or takes **** from them. Luckily I realised that being nice to win over girls was BULL**** around after the first week and since then I have been slowly working towards equilibrium by making her do stuff for me, not just the other way around. In fact, yesterday she was complaining to me about how I always make her do stuff for me LOL. (But she would love it though, right? Because she is a 'princess' and is used to guys drooling all over her and doing everything for her, haha.) But when I do act like this, sometimes she says "why are you being grumpy/mean/etc?". So is this the good way to go about this? Should I aim to get her doing everything for me, or is that too much?

You're clueless. It's not about ignoring what a girl asks you to do, its about her respecting you and you requiring her respect in order to want to bother spending time with her. She treats you like a nice guy, likely because you ARE a nice guy. You got to stop thinking about what she thinks of you and you gotta start caring about what you ARE. You ARE a pushover, so change THAT. Not for her, but for yourself. That's the point.

4. We've hung out pretty much every day since I met her, she messages me a lot asking to hang out. Every time she asked I have complied. Should I act unavailable or something? Anything specific I can say in this situation? Keep in mind that not seeing her for 3 or so days is just not possible... and not just because I feel that I can't live without her.
See, this is what I don't get. You WANT to be her friend, so what's the problem here? If you wanted to DATE her, you wouldn't have agreed to doing FRIENDLY things with her because that's not in your best interest. You became her friend, thought, so DUH of course you're in the friend zone.

5. How can I go about changing the prizability in the relationship? It currently feels that she is the prize - which I expected at the start since she is so attractive and I'm just above average. But I want to be the prize!

She IS the prize. You are still an AFC and you think being a male prize has everything to do with physical attractiveness. "she looks better than me, she's the prize!"....
Read the DJ bible and other posts, because you need a mindset overhaul and a REALITY CHECK.

6. Whenever we hang out she usually drops me off home after, and all I say is 'thanks for the lift'. No kino or anything. There has to be something I can do in this situation right?
No, there's nothing a friend should do to another friend in this situation. If you want to kino her or kiss her, you gotta work on everything else first. As things are now, you willingly became her friend, so deal with the fact that you won't do any sexual stuff after you 'chill' with her. It's not a date, so there's no date-like stuff that should happen.

7. I shouldn't ever tell this girl I like her first, but instead should attempt to attract her and let her make the first move, right?
NO. You lessen your attention and receptivity to her, and you make her want you a bit. This is while you're dealing with other girls and being busy with other things in your life, of course. If she wants your attention, she'll try to get it. HOPEFULLY by this point you're no longer a chump.

8. Any very basic/simple and proven push-pull examples/****y+funny jokes that I could steal would be greatly appreciated too!
Anything you say will vibe well with women as long as it's coming from a cool dude

Thank you.

blabla10characters nothingelse to say - stop being a chump