analyse my convo please

[The Monolith]

Hi, recovering AFC here. To put this in context, I barely know this girl and most of the conversation consisted of C+F and some neg hits. I really have no idea what her interest level is and I think I overdid the C+F, she initiated alot of conversation after I kept leaving her waiting, most of the rest of the convo is just normal chat. Here are some extracts:

HB8:
ur the guy who pissed himself in CU

Rob says:
i'd prefer to be remembered as that 'god among men' but that will have to do...

HB8:
o yea wot was i thinking

HB8:
ur the angel who graced us with his presence in CU

HB8:
*rolls eyes*

Rob says:
was only joking, im not nearly that vain#

HB8:
tsch! ok

HB8:
wot yr u in?

blah blah blah....

Rob says:
im going to be a director

HB8:
looks lk sum1 else is a wee bit ambitious

HB8:
im gonna b a brain surgeon so suck on that

Rob says:
well im gonna be a rocket scientist in a rock band

Rob says:
suck on that

HB8:
well im gonna discover a cure for cancer and b the worlds wealthiest supermodel

HB8:
spin on that

Rob says:
theres no way you could be a supermodel, i mean you might be able to pull off being a pornstar, but supermodel...

HB8:
shut up

HB8:
u culd neva b a director

HB8:
porn director mabey

Rob says:
we should collaborate

HB8:
yup bt whos gonna b my co star?

Rob says:
if your really lucky me, but probably some random

HB8:
if im really un lucky and probably cursed it will b u

HB8:
i will on shag wholesome christian boys on film

HB8:
*only

Rob says:
its very tempting but not worth me converting

HB8:
well if that wont get people to convert im all outta ideas

Rob says:
how about off film

HB8:
is that a question or a statement?

HB8:
either way im too picky for most wannabe christians so it wuldnt work

balh, blah, blah...

HB8:
nite nite

HB8:
x x x

Rob says:
sleep tite

HB8:
sweet dreams etc.

Rob says:
something about bugs

HB8:
thats the one

HB8:
dont let the bed bugs bite

HB8:
ewwww bed bugs

HB8:
im so not gonna sleep now

Rob says:
or crabs in ure case

HB8:
**** u

HB8:
o wait i wuld neva

HB8:
shame

Rob says:
good nite

 

[Dannyrt34]

Hmmm. I don't know man. ****y?? Yes.... Funny?? Not really. I noticed there wasn't many LOLs in there on her part. I do think you're on the right track though. You did do good at translating the conversation towards sex in smooth way. Perhaps, lay on the charm more, do some teasing in a non-threatening way. And yes, maybe a bit TOO MUCH C&F. When I'm conversing with a girl, I usually do my best to carry on an intelligent conversation with her, but I throw in the C&F comments only when I feel it fits in well, or to lighten it up when the conversation starts to become too serious.

Such as the other day for example, I was talking to a girl I met. We talked for a while on the phone and then when we're saying our goodbyes. She says:

Girl: You can call me later this week with some plans, if you still want to hang out with me.
Me: (In a lighthearted voice tone) I don't know babe, after all this talkin to you, I REALLY don't think I'm interested in seeing you anymore.

She laughs and tells me to to shutup, she knew I was joking. But lots of that conversation was actually INTELLIGENT, and serious conversation. You should still try to have actual quality conversation, because that is how you REALLY get to know what type of girl she is, her interests, and stuff like that. I don't know about you, but it is important to me to find out what she's really like as a person. My advice to you is, go ahead with the C&F, just don't go overboard with it, she may start to think of you as a 'mindless' guy.

 

[The Monolith]

thanks for the tip, but could you elaborate more on charm, as compared to ****y funny.

 

[Dannyrt34]

thanks for the tip, but could you elaborate more on charm, as compared to ****y funny.

I just edited my last post, not sure if you read it after I added some stuff. I read a quote in the 'DJ bible revised'. That "Charm is treating women like little girls". Think about somebody you might see as charming, their very lighthearted, they brighten a room when they walk in. People want to be around somebody who is 'charming'. A charming man, is a man thats very good at telling stories, he always has people laughing, but he can also carry on a conversation that's "intelligent". He's very laid back, and tends to be a social butterfly. A charming guy always makes people around him feel very comfortable. Charm isn't just in conversation, it's with kino, and how you hold yourself. This is A GENERAL explanation on charm, but if you have a more specific question, ask away.

 

[The Monolith]

Thanks again, that makes perfect sense. I think it was a case of style over substance, what with all this talk of C+F and neg hits you can sometimes forget to maintain an intelligent conversation. Any topics that you recommend me bringing up?

 

[sexysuave]

A charming man, is a man thats very good at telling stories, he always has people laughing, but he can also carry on a conversation that's "intelligent". He's very laid back, and tends to be a social butterfly. A charming guy always makes people around him feel very comfortable. Charm isn't just in conversation, it's with kino, and how you hold yourself. This is A GENERAL explanation on charm, but if you have a more specific question, ask away.

I have a question for you.

I love this part and completely agree with it. I consider my self a great PUA, I've been developing "the game" before I even had a computer or internet, taking notes, approaching 1000's of girls, improving as a person. However, the ONE thing, that I had trouble with is speaking out in public. Whether it's giving public speaches or presentations, or speaking out in big groups with some long stories. When it comes to throwing in little funny remarks that everyone laughs at, or coming out with some wise advise, I'm great, no problem. But it's TELLING STORIES, that I simply do not feel comfortable doing.

First off, I dont' have too many great stories. The only real stories I have developed over years are the great pickups I've had, and some great strategies that I've used. But I only reveal these to my close friends, who admire me for it. I can't talk about this with regular public. I have stories that I think are pretty interesting, but sometimes if I tell them I almost get a sence of the audience that they're thinking "uhhhh, okk, that was pointless". YOu seem to be aware of the "charming guy" who can tell stories. Any tips on improving in that aspect? I have gone as low as hearing someone else's funny interesting story, and then trying to tell it to some other random audience to see how I do. Sometimes it was actually even successfull. Another thing I observed, it seems like the greatest "story tellers" that I've known have stories that they repeat over and over and over. Do they memorize them? It's always the same puches, everything. Would you recommend memorizing stories, rewriting them to make them more funny? Becaue that will be my next step. Also, I started doing "pretend" public presentations in front of a mirror in a room or a restroom every day for 10-15 minutes. Sometimes I just randomly pretend I'm teaching people about "game", well most of the time.

I also plan to join "toastmasters" in a few weeks here. Do you know of any other ways that I should keep in mind to improve in these areas? Thanks a lot.

 

[Dannyrt34]

Any topics that you recommend me bringing up?

You need to remember something. You're talking to somebody you completely DON'T EVEN KNOW. Think about it, you really have no idea what this person is like, you should have TONS of questions! But I can advise you to don't stay on these subjects for too long, if you ask her what she does for a living, or school, what she's studying, this gets boring. It's alright to bring them up, but don't stay on these subjects for too long. I personally, like to ask questions that involve getting to know the girls' PERSONALITY. I think these conversations are much funner. I might ask something like:

What's your favorite food?
After asking this, she'll tell you. And of course you can go into anything after that. then ask "Have you ever eaten at soandso? They have the best wings, just watch it, their HOT!" I actually did this, and then I went into a STORY, and told her about the time I went with my friends, and ordered the atomic wings, little did I know this place makes you sign a contract before eating them, in case you die.

See what I mean, just asking something as simple as her favorite food, you can then lead the conversation much further, such as different places to eat, and even a funny STORY to tell her.

Ask her what she likes to do for fun.
Now this, you can literally go into ANYTHING with.

Also don't be afraid to ask this one.
"What type of girl do you think of yourself as, a relationship girl, or the weekend fling girl?"

I've never had a girl offended by that question, the key is TIMING. You don't want to act like that's the FIRST thing you want to know. Talk to her first, make her feel COMFORTABLE.

You can really ask anything you want, remember, you don't KNOW this girl. So get to know her! Remember, INTELLIGENT conversation, C&F is just something you throw in there at certain times to make it fun.

 

[Dannyrt34]

I have a question for you.

I love this part and completely agree with it. I consider my self a great PUA, I've been developing "the game" before I even had a computer or internet, taking notes, approaching 1000's of girls, improving as a person. However, the ONE thing, that I had trouble with is speaking out in public. Whether it's giving public speaches or presentations, or speaking out in big groups with some long stories. When it comes to throwing in little funny remarks that everyone laughs at, or coming out with some wise advise, I'm great, no problem. But it's TELLING STORIES, that I simply do not feel comfortable doing.

First off, I dont' have too many great stories. The only real stories I have developed over years are the great pickups I've had, and some great strategies that I've used. But I only reveal these to my close friends, who admire me for it. I can't talk about this with regular public. I have stories that I think are pretty interesting, but sometimes if I tell them I almost get a sence of the audience that they're thinking "uhhhh, okk, that was pointless". YOu seem to be aware of the "charming guy" who can tell stories. Any tips on improving in that aspect? I have gone as low as hearing someone else's funny interesting story, and then trying to tell it to some other random audience to see how I do. Sometimes it was actually even successfull. Another thing I observed, it seems like the greatest "story tellers" that I've known have stories that they repeat over and over and over. Do they memorize them? It's always the same puches, everything. Would you recommend memorizing stories, rewriting them to make them more funny? Becaue that will be my next step. Also, I started doing "pretend" public presentations in front of a mirror in a room or a restroom every day for 10-15 minutes. Sometimes I just randomly pretend I'm teaching people about "game", well most of the time.

I also plan to join "toastmasters" in a few weeks here. Do you know of any other ways that I should keep in mind to improve in these areas? Thanks a lot.

Well, I did take a speech class. And of course, I gave tons of speeches. First of all, it don't have to be that GREAT of a story, as long as you know how to use you're voice tone, and pick the right words to use, you can make ANY story sound very interesting. Be very descriptive in your story, but never go overboard with it, if you take forever just to describe the color of the grass, people will be dying for you to just GET TO THE POINT. Ask your audience QUESTIONS that lead up to what you're talking about. Oh and KNOW your audience, don't go to a college party and talk about what you did at work. Talk about another kickass party you been to. And what I'm about to tell you now, is by far the absolute BEST ADVICE.

PRACTICE!

 

[tmpgstx]

charm is picking out something about somebody that you want most people to recognize about yourself (but most people never say) and compliment them on that feature indirectly.

For example, this girl was concerned that being good-looking was something she invests in (by the supermodel comment).

You knock her down a peg like this but compliment her at the same time:

You: "I could never date a georgous girl like you"'
her: "and why not??"
You: "you're all the same, snaughty shallow girls who don't know what a real man is"
her: "what?!? I'm not like that at all and I DO know what a real man is"
You: "Well, you must otherwise you wouldn't be giving me the time of day "

so on and so fourth.

Get her going and seeking your approval.

 

[Schmuck]

Comes across like a bit of poop slinging turned into an ego battle, which she won. But I think in her eyes it was an "easy kill".

I'd like to be more constructive but I'm feeling kind of blah right now.

 

[MrCode]

I consider myself very good at C&F. To be frank you are really missing the point.

Firstly, never backpedal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

was only joking, im not nearly that vain#

No, no, no, no, no!!! You just reverted to being an AFC. This is what AFCs do, act ****y and then backpedal when they get resistance. You should have escalated:

Rob says:
i'd prefer to be remembered as that 'god among men' but that will have to do...

HB8:
o yea wot was i thinking

HB8:
ur the angel who graced us with his presence in CU

HB8:
*rolls eyes*

Rob should have said:
yes, I saw the way your eyes lighted up in my holy presence

Or whatever. The rest of the convo was similarly crappy. For example when she seemed impressed you were going to be a director and tried to one up you with the brain surgeon thing you should have busted on her:

HB8:
im gonna b a brain surgeon so suck on that

Rob should have said:
brain surgeon? I think proctology is more your field...you are quite knowledgeable about *******s since you are one.

OR

Rob could have said:
why are you bringing up sucking? I barely know you and you are already having sexual fantasies about me? slow down!

You get the point.