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An uphill battle from beta to alpha in LTR

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http://therationalmale.com/2012/03/09/relationship-game-a-primer/

Before I start my situation..

By Rollo:
"Before I dig in here I think it’s important to bear in mind that the principles of Game do not change in an LTR, only the context does. Every behavior set, every frame control tenet, every aspect of amused mastery and even PUAs skills like ****y & Funny are all vitally necessary, if not more necessary in an LTR. One of the greatest failings married men begin their nuptials with is starting from a position of Betaness. I’ve encountered, and counseled, far too many men with the same story; they entered into their LTR or marriage from a default position of being the “supportive” submissive partner only to discover Game later in their relationship and then fight the very uphill battle of convincing their spouse that they’ve ‘genuinely’ experienced a radical shift in their outlook and personalities.

If all she’s ever known is the Beta you, convincing her you’ve gone Alpha is a tough road to hoe. An Alpha shift in an LTR is threatening to a woman who’s built a lifestyle around the predictability of the Beta guy she committed to. It stirs up the competition anxiety she’s been numbed to for a long time, and while that’s beneficial in prompting her genuine desire for you, it also upsets her sense of security. It’s for this reason that Beta men are reluctant to experiment with being more dominant; they carry over from their singlehood the same mistaken belief that women require comfort, familiarity and security in order to become intimate or “feel sexy”. They still fail to grasp, even in marriage, that sex by definition requires anxiety to be grounded in genuine desire. Sexual tension requires urgency."



My situation, I started my LTR of 2years as a Beta.. I know I made many beta mistakes and I let her get away with disrespect and failed many sh!t tests. Thus her interest took a hit and she is hot/cold and she has been trained by me that she can get away with many things.

Hey it's not her fault, I cannot call her a b!tch. After all, I am the one that let her get away with it!!

Thus one month ago, I vow to change my attitude towards her and my life. I started socializing and get to know new people and concentrate on my career. She had been distant and lethargic in calling and texting, thus I became aloof and indifferent. May be acting at first.. Faking till I make it..

It is tough in this one month of transition of changing beta to alpha, maybe "faking alpha"... I was aloof and positive this one month, she change on it. She kept asking what happened to me. It got into her mind and she starts behaving better and seems higher interest now (more I love you, etc etc).. However, more **** tests are coming.. I have an natural alpha uncle monitoring me, keeping me focused.

However, last night, in a moment of weakness, I failed a **** test in which she quarreled with me (her fault and b!tchiness) and I let her get away with it.. Now she's back to power and becoming aloof instead.. A tough battle.


My question is
- have any brothers here started off the LTR as a beta for half a year to a year and successfully transit to alpha and convincing your gf for a long period of time? Or even better, long period of "higher position" of her.

- rollo mentioned in his blog that transition of from beta to alpha in a ltr is going to threaten the security she has of a beta., will this change cause the gf to snap off and break up due to the change? (My gf seems to have the signs of that)

- Rollo also mentioned it is an uphill battle during this transition.

I hope to hear success stories.

English is not my native language. Sorry if I don't phrase it well
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Ever since the change, she kept asking me if I have anyone new etc.. Tons of questions and she herself thought that the relationship is failing, sometimes complain why I took so long to reply her text or called her back, and she felt like I wasn't into her anymore
 

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If you're in a long term relationship then communication should be crucial if you are actually wanting to stay with her. Being in a LTR to me, it would not be some of the things you do on this site that I'd do (half of it is more geared towards playing with woman etc). If she brings it up, just give her some type of philosophical BS about finding yourself etc and standing up for yourself for once. Woman will buy a reason if it is something she wants to believe. At the same time, keep an eye out for hints etc of whether she may want to call it quits. If so, pre-empt it and drop her. Afterall that is what being 'alpha' as you say is about - not caring, being able to walk away etc.
 

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Look up Squirrels' thread on tests in a relationship.
She saw her meek little beta boy growing a set of balls and initiated a shyt test nuke to really see if you had changed.
By your own admission, you panicked and reverted to your old self.

Squirrels (and Rollo) both agree that the shyt tests never stop (if she's a decent woman and really into you, these tests will be seldom but they'll still happen).
So continue on your path but be prepared for the nuclear warhead she'll try to launch when she sees herself losing the frame.

I also recommend googling Dave from Hawaii who has some excellent advice for men trying to make the transition.
 

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Thank you Greasy,

There are many tests from her, can be the strangest thing I ever encountered. She is extremely hot/cold now especially after I let her get away with a recent quarrel (her fault). I know I panicked, but I am sticking to my guns and doing the things I should be doing. Currently I have a new potential Girl whom I can fall back on should things go sideways.

Nonetheless, I am still controlling my contact ratio towards her, making sure she is contacting more than I.. She's already aloof now, I am making sure I am more aloof..

Of course, I am well prepared that she has another dude in the background.. Mentally ready..
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Posting back on the same thread with UPDATES.

I have pulled back my attention, and at the same time, I am also seeing some chicks; I can confidently say that I have not been jealous and insecured.

I noticed her saying more "I love you"s and "I miss you"s.

I have internalized quite a bit of knowledge on saving a flagging relationship. Pulling back attention, not so available etc etc. I felt improvements overall (inner and outer game) so to speak.
 

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Today we had a phone conversation, she is throwing a tantrum and saying why have i changed so much? and that I used to call her and care for her a lot and now i didn't do the things i used to do. And it seems that I only care for her "a bit"

She is throwing more and more tantrums... More and more **** test coming i guess..
 

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You’re better off just dumping her. She cannot forget the beta version of you. Start clean with a new woman. You’ll have significantly less **** tests to deal with.
You do realise that u r basically replying to a post that's posted 4 years ago....
 
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