An interesting graphic about hypergamy

[MatureDJ]

This is the best graphic I have ever seen about hypergamy and its effects.

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/08/02/relationshipstrategies/the-sexual-revolution-and-you/

I love the frowny faces for the frustrated chumps. A good article to go along with it as well, BTW.

 

[backbreaker]

I have said it before when I was overweight and broke, i could not pay a girl to look at me. when i slimmed down and got my wardrobe together, i had every bit of 20 or so number sin my phone at a time from various women. very hot and cold.

unattractive women set their sights way too high

 

[Wilko]

BB, you were all over this in the other thread about the chubby PoF chick. The fact that an overweight girl (HB4-6) can (and expects to) pull a male 8. I meant to weigh in on that one, thought you really had a good handle on that.

The example that springs to mind at the moment is Jersey Shores. Douchebag or not, steroid use not withstanding, those guys are in excellent shape, you have to give them some credit, it is not easy to get in that kind of condition. The thing is though, those guys aren't taking home 8's and 9's, it's 6's and 7's for the most part.

Seems to me that 8's and 9's take a hugely disproportionate amount of work on our part, you really have to look at the cost/benefit involved. In the last five years or so I've become a much better package, but the outcome is still basically the same as when I started, the occasional short term fling with a HB7; I'm barely keeping pace with the shifts in the sexual marketplace.

Do you other guys feel that? Your Game is better than ever but you're just hanging on to where you were when you started?

 

[zekko]

What I don't understand about that graph is why all those 8, 9, and 10 guys are screwing all those 3, 4, and 5 girls.

Being as completely realistic as I can be, I figure I'm about a 7, and I wouldn't touch a 5 or below with a ten foot pole. Nor have I been forced to. Of course, according to that chart, as a 7 I shouldn't be getting any action at all.

 

[Colossus]

My gf says I'm an 8 at least. I'd call myself a solid 7, right now anyways.

The two factors that make the biggest difference in how much female attention I get and how easy it is for me to pull, are, same as BB: weight, and clothes.

When I was 250, I was very muscular and bull strong, but not ripped by any means. I got VERY little female attention.

Fast forward now to 220, I dress a bit better and get plenty of looks, flirts, (real, not imagined) and even the odd cold approach. I think I'm a little less intimidating and my face is a lot thinner, making me appear younger and more handsome.

The take home message is that presentation is everything. Now I will admit that the vast majority of the flirts and approaches I get are from 4-7's. RARELY an 8+. I can prob count on one hand the times that has happened in the last few years.

 

[backbreaker]

What I don't understand about that graph is why all those 8, 9, and 10 guys are screwing all those 3, 4, and 5 girls.

Being as completely realistic as I can be, I figure I'm about a 7, and I wouldn't touch a 5 or below with a ten foot pole. Nor have I been forced to. Of course, according to that chart, as a 7 I shouldn't be getting any action at all.

you are forgetting one small detail




YOU ARE HERE LOL



of course YOU wouldn't. you know you can do better. But the avg bloke who has has low self esteem or has never had success with women or found a woman he "connects to", you'd be surprised.

My gf says I'm an 8 at least. I'd call myself a solid 7, right now anyways.

The two factors that make the biggest difference in how much female attention I get and how easy it is for me to pull, are, same as BB: weight, and clothes.

When I was 250, I was very muscular and bull strong, but not ripped by any means. I got VERY little female attention.

Fast forward now to 220, I dress a bit better and get plenty of looks, flirts, (real, not imagined) and even the odd cold approach. I think I'm a little less intimidating and my face is a lot thinner, making me appear younger and more handsome.

The take home message is that presentation is everything. Now I will admit that the vast majority of the flirts and approaches I get are from 4-7's. RARELY an 8+. I can prob count on one hand the times that has happened in the last few years.

sounds alot like me. when I first lost weight and got really skinny I got into a bulk phase and got all the way back up to almost 190, a pretty good 190 and while i got some attention it was no where near when i was close to 155-160. i had to be honest about what my goals were with my weight lifting. I take my gym very seriously. at the end of the day, I am not an amature body builder, and I don't care how much I can bench, I like being in good shape and looking really good with my shirt off. that's my goals. So I slimmed back down, lost some muscle but kept most= attention back. I have found a good medium.. right at about 173-175 enough to where i have very little fat but a good amount of muscle i can still wear small pants but i have a big chest.

 

[disgustipated]

What I don't understand about that graph is why all those 8, 9, and 10 guys are screwing all those 3, 4, and 5 girls.

Being as completely realistic as I can be, I figure I'm about a 7, and I wouldn't touch a 5 or below with a ten foot pole. Nor have I been forced to. Of course, according to that chart, as a 7 I shouldn't be getting any action at all.

I think those upper echelon guys might be screwing it up for the mid tier guys. They bang the lower chicks and this might feed into their entitlement issues. Like this is the quality guy they think they deserve, and their goofy ass friends will also lend support to this ludarcis idea. The 3-6 girls then won't even look at the 3-6 guys, thinking they deserves the 7-10 guys based off a one time thing. This might force the 3-6 guys(this is where I am) to dip lower that what they'd normally go, below their own SMV...which screws the even lower guys because this gives those lower chicks a false perceived self SMV. It's all screwed up.

I can see this dynamic at my workplace. Like 2-3 guys are ****ing ALL the women that are on the market. The ones they don't want will just orbit them, they won't lower their standards and **** someone closer to what their rating is. I don't really try to pick up at work but I do like to test the waters and point out the BS to my male friends.

 

[Burroughs]

I think for mid tier guys their best option going forward is to improve themselves status wise...they may be limited in terms of how strong they can appear but they can always strive to earn more $...a poor 7 is a rich 10 in a woman's eyes especially if he has a bespoke suit on.

i know this firsthand. I'm a solid 7-8...not the muscular type..I bike race and cover 175-200 miles a week...I am lean and wiry so there are enuff women that like that me for that, though maybe not enough 9-10s to my liking.

In college however, for a 2 year period I was a 10+, I was the most famous person at my college, my band had received national attention in newspapers we nearly signed a major label deal (why we didn't is a VERY long story)...but during this period I was still thin and wiry a 7-8, but I was a 10 in every girl's eyes...I'd be approached 5 times a day. that is what fame...even on a small scale brings...its stunning...I can only imagine what a hollywood dude goes through.

 

[backbreaker]

I think those upper echelon guys might be screwing it up for the mid tier guys. They bang the lower chicks and this might feed into their entitlement issues. Like this is the quality guy they think they deserve, and their goofy ass friends will also lend support to this ludarcis idea. The 3-6 girls then won't even look at the 3-6 guys, thinking they deserves the 7-10 guys based off a one time thing. This might force the 3-6 guys(this is where I am) to dip lower that what they'd normally go, below their own SMV...which screws the even lower guys because this gives those lower chicks a false perceived self SMV. It's all screwed up.

I can see this dynamic at my workplace. Like 2-3 guys are ****ing ALL the women that are on the market. The ones they don't want will just orbit them, they won't lower their standards and **** someone closer to what their rating is. I don't really try to pick up at work but I do like to test the waters and point out the BS to my male friends.

this is a very good post one I see from both sides of the fence


when I first turned 21 and was plate spinning, i"d be lkying if every plate i was on was an 8 or above. Hell some were closer to 5's though most were in the 7ish range. But here is the thing.. why not lol? i'm not a woman. if i am single the only thing that is stopping me from screwing as many women as I want is time. not only that, in my case it worked in my favor by building up my confidence with women and not making me always avialble, which helped me secure /drive the HB 7's and 8's crazy that i would not settle down. long story short, they were being used.

on the other side, I remember when I was younger than that, and I was overweight, starting my business. Had I honestly really tried, I'm sure i could have found some bed fodder. But the thing is, I was so spoiled by my oneitis, and how hot she was, I wasn't going to go that far down. In reality i wasn't going to date antyhing else at that time but in the instance that i did, it wasn't going to be much worse than she was. I want what i wanted.

 

[Warrior74]

this is a very good post one I see from both sides of the fence


when I first turned 21 and was plate spinning, i"d be lkying if every plate i was on was an 8 or above. Hell some were closer to 5's though most were in the 7ish range. But here is the thing.. why not lol? i'm not a woman. if i am single the only thing that is stopping me from screwing as many women as I want is time. not only that, in my case it worked in my favor by building up my confidence with women and not making me always avialble, which helped me secure /drive the HB 7's and 8's crazy that i would not settle down. long story short, they were being used.

on the other side, I remember when I was younger than that, and I was overweight, starting my business. Had I honestly really tried, I'm sure i could have found some bed fodder. But the thing is, I was so spoiled by my oneitis, and how hot she was, I wasn't going to go that far down. In reality i wasn't going to date antyhing else at that time but in the instance that i did, it wasn't going to be much worse than she was. I want what i wanted.

I'm a 5 on a good day. Throw in me being "on" with personality and charm and I can package it as a 6. If I got down to about 175 and stepped my wardrobe up, I'm sure it would be even higher. Most of my girlfriends have been 6s or 7s. In college I was spoiled, I dated cheerleaders sorority girls and dancers just by having the balls to go after them and being different from the jocks and frat boys they usually dated. In the college setting, dating one on this level opens you up to the rest. If nothing else they want to know what makes you so special and want to find out for themselves. Good times.

Right now I am so busy with work that I don't have time and I want what I want. I'm not willing to settle for less especially when my time is at a premium. Its better to just be alone and keep working. Every time I slummed it, it wasn't worth it. Oh it usually jump started my game if I was in a drought, but it also came at a price. A. Not being seen with her in public. (they know when you are keeping them under wraps) B. Steady pressure from her to get me to commit. C. Emotional fallout and drama from me dumping her later.

Screw it. I can't afford a woman in my life right now anyway, so if I'm not on the ladder, I'll wait. I got bigger fish to fry.