An Epidemic of Single, Lonely Females

[wifehunter]

I posted this in the @mellow_yellow thread on misandry. There's so much bleating about how tough it is for men out there. However, I've met so many single and lonely women both in big cities and small towns it's difficult to comprehend.

True, a lot of these girls are average, or fat, or even ugly. However, many of them are cute. Some are actually hot. There are just too many ways for "relationships" to go awry these days. And women are so overworked it's often difficult for them to enter into a relationship in the first place. Men suffer more, no question, but a lot of women lose out in this musical chairs game as well. Here are just a few ways women can run into trouble with dating or not even find the opportunity to enter into a relationship:

-They find a man but he leaves after she gets pregnant and fat.

-They are divorced and one or two decades more past prime dating and marriageable age

-They completely refuse to go to clubs and bars, where they would be drooled over if they had the patience, time and temperament to stay out late and deal with all of the bull-**** that nightlife entails

-They work long, odd hours and don't have a schedule that allows for regular dating even if they want to

-They work long, odd hours and don't have the energy to go out regularly

-They are in grad school and don't have the time

-They want a boyfriend/husband but have been taught in college that men are evil and women must have a career first

-They live in a small town and the men are generally stupid, ugly and/or evil

-They are highly religious and can't find a man who shares the same beliefs and lifestyle

I am just scratching the surface here. I am a very social person and meet a lot of people and I think many men would be completely shocked at the enormous number of women who are in their 20's and dateless. Some of these women go on dry spells for months or even years.

In effect, any "normal" modern woman in her 20's now has at three full time jobs: school, career, dating. And if they have a strong commitment to the first two, dating usually suffers. A modern woman is very similar to a confused, abused and overworked dog. They are actually traumatized by life. I don't see any easy fix for this situation, either.

On women with careers, jobs etc....

If our money supply wasn't completely manipulated and worthless, we wouldn't need women working.

The issue is pure economics.

#thehiddentaxofinflation

 

[MatureDJ]

I think that's a really nasty way to phrase that, particularly since this is a board specifically for men to develop the skills and confidence with women and their life. Men who find this place can often be in the lowest of low places.



I've seen quite a lot of members comment on this and I for the most part agree. However, the difference is in choice. Women have all the power in the dating game. This is evolutionary biology. They are the bringers of life, they have the scarce biological resource (eggs vs sperm) and they are the sexual selectors. Let's not forget the OKCupid study that showed men vote women's attractiveness on a bell curve with most women being slightly above average and that women vote 80% of men as below average. There is not a single woman I've dated who didn't have options, often at times when I had none.

If there's an epidemic of single women, it's by their own doing. If they want to forego relationships for a career, that's their choice. I think the problem is women have no understanding of what putting effort into finding a mate is because they never have to do it. They just put on some makeup and wait for men, then complain when their selections aren't 8/10's when they're a 6/10. Most women don't even think about what they can bring to the table in a relationship, they just have this subconscious programming that men are there to please them. That's why you see feminists saying that about men, it's classic projection. I've never met a man who thinks women exist solely for his pleasure. They exist, sure, but they're the absolutely rarity. Yet how common is it to see women professing how they are the princess waiting for a prince? Is she really a princess though, or just entitled? I bet she's never thought about how she adds value to a guys life yet expects the best of men.

I feel sorry for women and do think they have it hard. Men are so weak and feminized in western society that it's no surprise women aren't finding good men. There are so few. But this board is for men to learn the rules of the game, not to talk about women.

I think this is the rom-com, Hallmark-movie syndrome, where women think that an available "hunk" is just going to fall out of the sky into their laps at some point right when they are at the age that THEY want to be married.

 

[MatureDJ]

False. I know a ton of girls 18-27 who are hot and single. The pool of attractive men from any perspective is ridiculously shallow. Tons of drug addicts, videogame addicts, potheads, methheads, school dropouts, unemployed, no direction, minimum wage job, fat, don't shower, it's endless.

When guys are single it’s not out of choice.. when hot women are single it’s usually out of choice because they’re tired of wasting time on an “average” guy and are holding out for a higher quality guy.



True but there are a huge number of hot girls who remain single because of the reasons I mentioned, along with the vast numbers of ****-tier males who are doing nothing with their lives.

Back before I took the Red Pill (not just with women, but with society in general), in my late 20s, I was a successful engineer, but there was a dearth of hot, single girls, and I think I can count 3, 2 of which weren't psychologically problematic, acceptable women that I had dated, but didn't feel the need to stick with me. Maybe I was just low-tier because I'm short.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

I posted this in the @mellow_yellow thread on misandry. There's so much bleating about how tough it is for men out there. However, I've met so many single and lonely women both in big cities and small towns it's difficult to comprehend.

True, a lot of these girls are average, or fat, or even ugly. However, many of them are cute. Some are actually hot. There are just too many ways for "relationships" to go awry these days. And women are so overworked it's often difficult for them to enter into a relationship in the first place. Men suffer more, no question, but a lot of women lose out in this musical chairs game as well. Here are just a few ways women can run into trouble with dating or not even find the opportunity to enter into a relationship:

-They find a man but he leaves after she gets pregnant and fat.

-They are divorced and one or two decades more past prime dating and marriageable age

-They completely refuse to go to clubs and bars, where they would be drooled over if they had the patience, time and temperament to stay out late and deal with all of the bull-**** that nightlife entails

-They work long, odd hours and don't have a schedule that allows for regular dating even if they want to

-They work long, odd hours and don't have the energy to go out regularly

-They are in grad school and don't have the time

-They want a boyfriend/husband but have been taught in college that men are evil and women must have a career first

-They live in a small town and the men are generally stupid, ugly and/or evil

-They are highly religious and can't find a man who shares the same beliefs and lifestyle

I am just scratching the surface here. I am a very social person and meet a lot of people and I think many men would be completely shocked at the enormous number of women who are in their 20's and dateless. Some of these women go on dry spells for months or even years.

In effect, any "normal" modern woman in her 20's now has at three full time jobs: school, career, dating. And if they have a strong commitment to the first two, dating usually suffers. A modern woman is very similar to a confused, abused and overworked dog. They are actually traumatized by life. I don't see any easy fix for this situation, either.

“They live in a small town and the men are generally stupid, ugly and/or evil”.

This is a very strange comment for a man to make. How many “evil” men do you know? And what is the criteria by which they qualify as “evil”?

-Augustus-

 

[Desdinova]

I've met so many single and lonely women both in big cities and small towns it's difficult to comprehend.

Here's how I look at the situation...

I've worked damn hard to fix my personality by increasing my confidence, amplifying my good qualities such as my sense of humour, worked to bring home more money, took care of my credit rating so I can buy the things I want, and I work at keeping myself in good shape.

What the fvck is she bringing to the table? Oh, you have a vagina? Not good enough. You have a manager job running an office? Not good enough. You don't wanna be "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" because we're not in the 1950s anymore? Get the fvck out of here.

Women who are single and lonely still feel entitled. Most of them refuse to bring any kind of quality to the table to gain the attention of a good man. If she's willing to cook, clean, and help keep me healthy and functional in my life, then she's a winner. Those are the things I need and if she's not willing to take that job, then all she's worth is a fvck n' toss.

 

[The Duke]

So SMV "crashes" after age 23, yet they still get a lot of male attention when they are 50 and they are only HB6. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Give it a few years son....you'll see! haha I talked to one of those late 40's HB6's last night. She's had 3 guys in her large social circle ask her out recently and just broke up with her long term boyfriend about a week ago. I see this stuff often.

Cindy Crawford is 52, Jennifer Aniston is 49. Both are very attractive women even at their age.

I don't think @BeExcellent has any shortage of guys showing her interest either! She's shared some of that.

It seems there is a common belief that a woman's looks are done at some point in her 20's. You mentioned 23. I just don't see it and my personal experiences don't match that either.

I do see the fattest generation of 20 somethings I've ever seen in my life tho. Maybe that is why you think what you do.

 

[BeExcellent]

You speak as though wealth is the main determining factor in quality for females (and just people in general), yet some of the best quality women here are broke immigrants.

It's seriously not even close. In terms of looks, femininity, values, and just about whatever else.

For example.

Looks. Anyone going out in the street (where everyone of all ethnicities are, not a closed off social circle in Beverly Hills), and cold-approaching will disproportionately approach girls from places like Eastern and Southern Europe. Do it, and i'll seriously put a fiver on it if i'm wrong.

Femininity. These girls actually can cook. Can play gender roles in a way that's bloody jarring. Don't want to arm wrestle you competitively over stupid sh1t and other male traits.

Values. Take less liberties (despite not having loads of money, they mooch not nearly as much! Work that one out). Make better girlfriends and wives. Not gone too far down the line on that yet, but can speak from all my friends, everyone i've known, etc. The comparison is just silly to even make really.

It's not a money thing per se. However I can see how it would appear that way, but really it isn't about money.

It's about class.

People with class tend to have financial means. They also tend to have more traditional expectations as far as gender roles are concerned. "Old money" tends to understand matters of class better than "New money" but there are plenty of exceptions and it is possible to have class without being wealthy or affluent...but affluence and class tend to go hand in hand.

I was brought up to cook (and Im a great cook just made a scratch apple pie the other day -teaching my daughter how to bake as well while she helped me- this pie was at my boyfriend's request...and he raved about it. Even the crust was hand made), taught to organize & clean & keep things tidy, and was taught to support and augment the man in my life. I was also taught to be self sufficient, educated, and socially adroit. The fact that I am both intelligent and physically attractive are largely genetic, but developing my intelligence via education and maintaining my appearance are variables entirely within my control and I take those things seriously for myself and for the man in my life.

I bring much to the table. So do women who are like me.

My boyfriend has called me from his medical visits before -unsolicited- to have my input on his medications and healthcare management before, (and his doctors have followed some of my advice which has benefitted him), I am a positive influence and encourage him in his endeavors for his own life and I am also his best friend & sounding board. And yes I'll do his laundry too. I cook for him often and I dress to the nines for him always. I am feminine, girly, and take pride in how I look and present myself. He loves that.

I'm always a great asset to him when we are out together. I am sexually open & responsive with him as well.

Those are traits that men value. What the OP listed as reasons women are lonely are largely excuses. I mean I do all those things for my man (who is upstairs sleeping just now), and I'm also a mother of 3 and a businesswoman. But my man and my kids are the highest priorities. The businesses are the means to support myself and my kids. While I have a career I see it as a means to an end. I gotta eat & support my family...but my man & my family are my priorities. I take pride in that and so too do other women.

 

[BeExcellent]

Give it a few years son....you'll see! haha I talked to one of those late 40's HB6's last night. She's had 3 guys in her large social circle ask her out recently and just broke up with her long term boyfriend about a week ago. I see this stuff often.

Cindy Crawford is 52, Jennifer Aniston is 49. Both are very attractive women even at their age.

I don't think @BeExcellent has any shortage of guys showing her interest either! She's shared some of that.

It seems there is a common belief that a woman's looks are done at some point in her 20's. You mentioned 23. I just don't see it and my personal experiences don't match that either.

I do see the fattest generation of 20 somethings I've ever seen in my life tho. Maybe that is why you think what you do.

It's funny. At nearly 50 I have a better body than many many women half my age. Jaws drop, literally drop when I mention my age. Men still think I'm a 9 in many cases. I've been told I'm a "10" in the last year...by a millionaire who is dating two different very attractive women (I like him but he wasn't my cup of tea for dating).

For example just last weekend...The boyfriend mentioned he is 47...and I joked how I'm dating a younger man. Two attractive men, one is 30 and one is 34, were both like "No way. No way you are older than him...you look much younger than him" *and he is a young looking 47*

There are other women my age who still look great and look younger than actual age. Outliers to be sure, but outliers do exist. Healthy lifestyle, sufficient sleep, lifelong habits like non smoker, non sunworshipper, workout habit, healthy eating habits...enjoying life & positive outlook all contribute to aging well.

Nobody would dispute that I'm aging exceptionally well. I do have to do more squats these days to keep the derrière perky, but that's an investment I'm happy to make, and as a lifelong athlete it's not a giant adjustment at all really.

For all those reasons I have lots of choice in the marketplace. My boyfriend wonders out loud sometimes if he's good enough for me. He appreciates that I hold him accountable and he strives to meet my standards and he feels that I am a positive influence in his life, encouraging him to be his best self. He sees and hears other men say to him "Where did you find a woman like that?" and he thinks I have more high quality choices in the market place than he does (he is correct).

Women who bring much to the table have ridiculous choice in the market. The same, fortunately, is true for men who bring much to the table.

Importing women from more traditional cultures will only get you so far. When such women realize their value in the US (for example), and they WILL, then they are going to also see YOUR value in comparison.

High value men don't have trouble keeping women. Men who have higher value women (in a relative sense) will always be at risk for monkey branching.

Up your value so you are her best option...and don't out punt your coverage if you want the best outcomes.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Here's how I look at the situation...

I've worked damn hard to fix my personality by increasing my confidence, amplifying my good qualities such as my sense of humour, worked to bring home more money, took care of my credit rating so I can buy the things I want, and I work at keeping myself in good shape.

What the fvck is she bringing to the table? Oh, you have a vagina? Not good enough. You have a manager job running an office? Not good enough. You don't wanna be "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" because we're not in the 1950s anymore? Get the fvck out of here.

Women who are single and lonely still feel entitled. Most of them refuse to bring any kind of quality to the table to gain the attention of a good man. If she's willing to cook, clean, and help keep me healthy and functional in my life, then she's a winner. Those are the things I need and if she's not willing to take that job, then all she's worth is a fvck n' toss.

How many of those exist?

 

[BeExcellent]

They care more about keeping up social appearances, that's the primary difference.

No it's much deeper than that.

Anybody can be pretentious and keep up appearances. People with class tend not to be pretentious and are more substantive & more authentic.

I know for example that I get roasted on here for the humble brag, the show off, and probably seen as a snob or a snot at times.

That's cool. What I say is true, my results are real, and I'm a snob about some stuff. I own it and it's who I am. I'm also generous, fun & sweet.

There is nothing pretentious or fake about me. I want guys here to understand what is out there in life if you'll undertake becoming exceptional.

I don't mind the ribbing or the roasting. It doesn't change the message.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Im from the same social class you are and I'm telling you what I see.

Its true. Us humble about it are the minority. Everyone keeping up with the joneses. Hi siding and if you dont participate theyll waste your time.

 

[Music_czar]

I'm also generous, fun & sweet.

Do you have any friends in the 24-29 age group

 

[bigdave17]

what a ridiculous thread

You guys get on me for not cold approaching 50 million times a day...any decent looking chick has to do to have a million guys interested in her is go to any social place/do online dating/go to any bars and clubs

I'm supposed to feel sympathy for women who are single only because they sit at home and shut out the world?

 

[oldmanofthesea]

The only women I ever hear complain about being single are overweight and not doing anything about it. And they don't want to date an overweight guy; they are looking way, way out of their league.

 

[BeExcellent]

Im from the same social class you are and I'm telling you what I see.

I don't doubt what you are saying is true. Women of the sort of caliber we're discussing are rare to begin with. The vast majority of the ones I know are happily married and therefore NOT in the dating marketplace. The ones who are single that I do know have options out the wazoo and can pick from high quality men. They are literally bombarded with options.

The sad thing is I also know a few women who are quality gals who do NOT get out much and who might like to meet someone at some point. But getting these women out into the social scene is challenging too. Nobody is ever going to meet people in any meaningful way by staying home and refusing to go out. Even with OLD you eventually have to leave the house.

@LARaiders85 where do you usually meet women? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[BeExcellent]

Do you have any friends in the 24-29 age group

Not that are single, unfortunately. My one very awesome single girlfriend who was 29 (I think she's 30 now), and just drop dead gorgeous got wifed up last year with a man she is crazy about. He's a red pill type guy from everything she has told me about him and she is very, very happy.

I do have a friend whose engagement ended recently. She was devastated and doesn't want to date again yet. But she is a great gal who is in her early 30s. Cool, pretty and classy from a great family. She was with her ex 5 or 6 years. And she gets bombarded with men constantly.

 

[AttackFormation]

Yeah, like I'm not even saying women from the upper class aren't better. I'm saying the reason why isn't that deep and romantic as BE wants it to be lol. Whatever the reason, it's more stable.

Your parents and your childhood predict your life outcome to a great degree, and the higher in class you go the more the parents are formally educated, rich, well-connected, and stay together, while those advantages also free them from things like stress that would hurt a lower class family's environment. So that creates more well-adjusted ("stable" as you put it) children, and the cycle of inheritance continues. Zero romance or depth about it, lol.

Put a kid in with educated, rich, well-connected, intact parents who are also stress-free because of those things, the kid will most likely do well. Put the same kid in with uneducated, poor, poorly connected, separated parents who are also stressed out because of those things, the kid most likely won't do well. This sociological fact is why kids from good backgrounds become stories if they fail, and kids from bad background become stories if they succeed. We don't call those stories "beating the odds" for nothing.

I'm still trying to beat my odds, haha.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Yeah but you're high value. High value men are rare. As women climb in social status, their options for men start to dwindle rapidly. It's classic hypergamy, from just a sociological definition. Women do not date down in social status. These women are pricing themselves out of the dating market with their own actions. I feel sorry for them but that's on them, not men. Although women are going to be blind to this truth as well. Maybe we should start red pilling women?

Ohrein, your posts are usually quite good. I'm going to half agree with this one. Generally, and historically, women do not (prefer to) date down in social standards. But given feminism, two people needing to work to make a household go, and the emphasis on women to find a career and earn their own money, I see more "career" women who are obviously the "man" in the relationship--and he's ok with it. Even after a divorce, for which we all know the stats, this attitude carries over for the woman. I find more and more women exuding male energy even if they look petite and attractive.

Serious glass-ceiling-breaking career women are generally a huge turnoff for me. I call it "Plastic Balls Syndrome."

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The *only* totally effective screening method I've found is family background. It's the most important predictor bar none.

So if mom and dad slept in different beds where not affectionate your probably not getting none after marriage.

The other predictor is friends groups. What are their norms?

 

[BeExcellent]

I've been out with posh girls. My first three girlfriends were for example. Here's how it turned out as far as i know.

1. Moved to London. Became quite a feminist type.
2. Single mum. Don't know if she got with anyone else or whatever.
3. Married, different dad to the kids.

You can't really pass that off as traditional, surely not?

Having money (being "posh") may or may not equate to having good values. Values and character are really the two most important things a woman should have to be a good long term mate, LTR or marriage partner. The trouble is that those characteristics are not appearance based. The better looking a woman is (assuming she remains single) the more you have to wonder what kind of values she has (because she remains single - in other words - what's wrong with her) because beautiful women of good values and character get taken off the market quickly. That's the mother lode right? The gorgeous gal who has good character and values and who would make a great friend, lover, companion, partner, and mother for a man's children? That's what every man on the planet wants. And that is why most of them are married AND STAY THAT WAY.

If you look around the forum you'll see this theme over and over. Character is what counts. Values are what counts. However men want beauty. Understandable. Men want it all just as women do, right? But men get blinded by beauty. I mean how many threads do we have around here about men who stayed with crazy women, horrid women, BPD women etc. etc. and etc. way past a reasonable expiration date because of beauty and great sex? Countless threads.

Beauty should be a consideration, not the whole enchilada. Values and character are more important in the long run than beauty, although if you screen well and have value yourself you ought to be able to find a woman who has more complete package characteristics.

What I'm saying is that families from better, classier backgrounds as a general rule do a better job of raising young women to have the character and traditional values men desire. Some of those young women also happen to be great beauties (and they know what they bring to the table for a man *they've been taught by the family*). So the question becomes how to you matriculate to the social circles that contain these types of women, because often women from these social circles pair off young with sons of families that are similar to their own (so you never see them hit the larger dating market in many cases - university being the notable exception - but even there social circles tend to reign.)

Charity work and volunteering are two examples that immediately come to mind. George Clooney met his wife at a charity function. She wasn't in bars or clubs or participating in nightlife. The kind of women many men most desire are giving women. Givers tend to gravitate to places where they can contribute or give of themselves. Hence the charity/volunteering advice. Church and grad school is good. And honestly good women can be randomly anywhere. Just keep your eyes open and look for places where you can up your odds for the better girls.