"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Amazing how jealousy works through female mind

619joe

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Basically I have a girl that Im sort of gaming on HB9 that has a BF.Showed me some IOI's and we are clicking well

I really wanted to test out how jealous she would get.Dont ask me why its just I wanted to see just as an experiment but also alot of the time it was by accident.

A) If She would react
and/or
B)What her response/action would be


Ill list you some of the things I did

1)Shes enlisted in this small program at school.Basically there was this new girl that came in that was quite attractive.Just to see how she would react,I asked her who the new girl was.She got a little frustrated and said something like "God I dont know.Dont even ask me that".I proceeded with "Whats wrong?" then it just kind of went away.

2)I was texting a girl in class and she immediatly wanted to know who it was.Strange thing is she is a text messaging **** and always texts in class and I never ask her who she is messaging

3)I was talking to my buddy in class of this chick that Id met and just kinda hit it off with.She was OBVIOUSLY wanting to engage and have her say in the convo so she said "So is that what you do just pick up girls on the weekends?".

4)Again with my buddy Im talking to him about some girl's house that we were gonna go to to chill and play some guitar hero.She again butts in and wants to know who it is.Another day we are talking about the same girl and she asks me "How come you guys just keep talking about girls?".


Yes Simple examples but just some things I observed which I hope will atleast give insight to one person or another here.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Christ!

Really now, all those small things amount to? Diddly!

If you where a chick, she'd behave the same way...wait...your her best friend!!!

Dammm!!! bet you didn't see that coming.

Seriously thou seems you have a little more interest in her then you plan to admit.
 

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I guess I might.

Still holds to the fact that those things wouldnt have really bothered her or interested her had she not initially had interest in me.See where Im coming from?
 

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Meh, coming from a female myself...that doesn't mean much really at all. We are just naturally curious...I ask my guy friends whom I have zero interest in about girls and their social life all the time.
 

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619joe said:
I guess I might.

Still holds to the fact that those things wouldnt have really bothered her or interested her had she not initially had interest in me.See where Im coming from?
Now you need to take it to the next level. Date around. Try to find out where she hangs out (socially) and show up with another woman there, on a REAL date. Holding hands if possible. This will drive her mad.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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JackPrescott said:
Now you need to take it to the next level. Date around. Try to find out where she hangs out (socially) and show up with another woman there, on a REAL date. Holding hands if possible. This will drive her mad.
Yup, women react on jealous emotion far greater than most other emotions.
 

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SunnyD said:
Meh, coming from a female myself...that doesn't mean much really at all. We are just naturally curious...I ask my guy friends whom I have zero interest in about girls and their social life all the time.
loool, I find it hilarious that there are women on this site. It's a site for men about how to pick up women. I just don't see the real attraction that this site could present to women.

It's like a straight guy on a forum for learning how to please your man; it's pretty ironic.
 

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TheEdgeOf said:
loool, I find it hilarious that there are women on this site. It's a site for men about how to pick up women. I just don't see the real attraction that this site could present to women.

It's like a straight guy on a forum for learning how to please your man; it's pretty ironic.
Yeah. Women don't want the attention of horny men.
 

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SunnyD said:
Meh, coming from a female myself...that doesn't mean much really at all. We are just naturally curious...I ask my guy friends whom I have zero interest in about girls and their social life all the time.
But I'll bet if your ex started making out with a little size 4 blonde in front of you, it would be Wrestlemania XXII!!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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JackPrescott said:
But I'll bet if your ex started making out with a little size 4 blonde in front of you, it would be Wrestlemania XXII!!
Ofcourse, it's different when its someone you had/have feelings for.

And he did do that, and although she was a size 4, her face was a 4 as well..hahhah.
 

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TheEdgeOf said:
loool, I find it hilarious that there are women on this site. It's a site for men about how to pick up women. I just don't see the real attraction that this site could present to women.

It's like a straight guy on a forum for learning how to please your man; it's pretty ironic.
It's to see into your minds and the way guys think. So when someone I'm seeing is fvcking me around, I know it now. I know all the games now...I've learned a lot here.

I also like to offer advice from a female perspective, like "yeah, she's ignoring you because she blah blah blah..." Who better can tell you what a female is thinking than a female?? See, it's a trade-off..haha.
 

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SunnyD said:
Ofcourse, it's different when its someone you had/have feelings for.

And he did do that, and although she was a size 4, her face was a 4 as well..hahhah.
And I'll bet your ass got burned/chapped by the whole scenario, bad! I'll say this about your ex, he is a MASTER DJ and a Guru, his advice on women is welcome here anytime. :up:
 

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so thats why shes here. trying to learn what happened to her eh? lol.
 

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JackPrescott said:
And I'll bet your ass got burned/chapped by the whole scenario, bad! I'll say this about your ex, he is a MASTER DJ and a Guru, his advice on women is welcome here anytime. :up:
Yeah cause everyone wants to be THAT guy...:rolleyes:

If you want to be the disrespecting piece of shvt kind of guy my ex was, go right ahead. I can guarantee you, you will be alone for the rest of your life.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that being purposely hurtful to a girl that treated you like gold was the way to go. I didn't realize that that was the "master DJ" that every guy idolized.

Give me a break. There are better ways to get chics then being complete fvckin a$$holes to them. But hey, if that's what makes you feel better about yourself.... your Mother raised a winner.:up:
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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SunnyD said:
Yeah cause everyone wants to be THAT guy...:rolleyes:

If you want to be the disrespecting piece of shvt kind of guy my ex was, go right ahead. I can guarantee you, you will be alone for the rest of your life.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that being purposely hurtful to a girl that treated you like gold was the way to go. I didn't realize that that was the "master DJ" that every guy idolized.

Give me a break. There are better ways to get chics then being complete fvckin a$$holes to them. But hey, if that's what makes you feel better about yourself.... your Mother raised a winner.:up:
But if he was so bad, then how is it he got you so into him, pray tell?
 

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Why are we all haters? I mean, c'mon, the woman hasn't said sh!t and your all attacking her. Back the fvck off, jeez. And since it's a public forum, women can join. Just because it's for men, dont mean diddly squat.
Gimme a break..
 

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SunnyD said:
Yeah cause everyone wants to be THAT guy...:rolleyes:

If you want to be the disrespecting piece of shvt kind of guy my ex was, go right ahead. I can guarantee you, you will be alone for the rest of your life.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that being purposely hurtful to a girl that treated you like gold was the way to go. I didn't realize that that was the "master DJ" that every guy idolized.

Give me a break. There are better ways to get chics then being complete fvckin a$$holes to them. But hey, if that's what makes you feel better about yourself.... your Mother raised a winner.:up:
"Negative Ghostrider, the Pattern is Full"....See, Sunny, this is where you are DEAD ASSED WRONG as usual. But then again, you are a female, and any female on this site will give males laughable, screwy advice that wont work. Remember, Sunny, that good guys finish last. Bad guys fukk the Prom Queen.

A good number of men here have tried to be good to women, and they get "Friendszoned" Do you have any explanations for that Sunny? I didnt think so either. When you are good to a woman, women, stereotypically are repulsed. Lets take my good friend "Paul W." Paul is a great guy, funny, cool and very popular. But alas, he is always alone. Why, pray tell? I dont know, but he treats women like fukking angels. They never pay for a drink around him, or food either. One gal, Izzy, dated him a bit, and went back to her abusive, Junkie ass, toothless Gangsta boyfriend rather than have Paul for a boyfriend. Another gal, Barb, is dating an ugly, no, wait, make it a FUGLY male who is blind in one eye, obese, and has diabetes. This idiot has one foot in the grave, and she worships at the altar of his erectile dysfunctional ass. And a third, the Bulgarian only dates African American males, and Paul, being an Irishman, is left out in the cold, simple because of skincolor.

The disrespecting, Piece of $hit guys get all the ass Sweetie. Being nice gets no male anywhere. Being a prick does, and here on Sosuave, we do what works. Mama may have raised an a$$hole, but she didnt raise an AFC fool, thanks for playing.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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