"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Sure, there are a disproportionate number of 9-10 men online compared to women, therefore they fvck down. Basic supply and demand. The women that love to date me (a 7) from real life are matching with male models online, that simple. They like me for my traits other than looks, which aren't on display on OLD.
Dave doesn't seem to understand that top tier men view OLD as a hooker website. A 9 guy will bang out a 7 because she will lay quickly with no effort and because she is a different piece of azz--and then dismiss her without reason. So now her ego believes she is entitled to a 9 guy when her value is much lower. That's OLD.

Dave, Adapt or Surrender.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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@bigdave17, as well everyone else here, well mostly everyone else, the problem is you; not the women or OLD. You are creating this unnecessary drama that only hinders your ability to adapt, not help. READ AND DIGEST WHAT EVERYONE HERE IS TYPING.
LAraider is only one here telling the truth that online dating is ridiculously one sided/rigged against men.
 

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my pics on photofeeler- set to women under 34 only can vote all rated between 6.5 at bottom to 9/10 at top

I'm atrociously unphotogenic. At least a dozen people have said i look much better in real life than photos. If you think I'm a 6, you're insane. If you think I'm going for 9s, you're super insane
Who gives a fvck about Photofeeler? Is that you Big Neal? All hung up on your Photofeeler ratings?

Let me save you some time- Photofeeler doesnt get you laid. Going out with the goal of just socializing and having fun, grabbing a chick's number here and there, messaging her a few days later so you dont act like a thirsty dude and getting them out on dates.

That is what gets you laid. What part of this are you missing?

Get off OLD since your ego obviously cannot take the rejection you're getting on there and just go hang out with some people in your social circle. If you dont have a social circle, that is the first stop to social success.

Pro tip- Social success is the best way to get chicks.
 

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bro all you have with online dating is pics and profile. I have a good profile and good pics...still doesn't seem to be enough
Not sure. Again, post your profile and post your messages and we can see what you are doing. @sazc had made some points on Bumble. Try that out and just because they swiped on you, doesn't mean you have to go out with them. Use it for practice to hone in on your game.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Dave doesn't seem to understand that top tier men view OLD as a hooker website. A 9 guy will bang out a 7 because she will lay quickly with no effort and because she is a different piece of azz--and then dismiss her without reason. So now her ego believes she is entitled to a 9 guy when her value is much lower. That's OLD.

Dave, Adapt or Surrender.

what's the solution? If i get super lean, I can probably top out at maybe a 7.5 to 8ish range. I'm never going to be a 9/10

basically it sounds like you recommend just giving up
 

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100% sold that Big Dave is Big Neal.

I wonder if he is still getting cucked by the 19 year olds that are pale looking models that he believes actually want him in his fantasy world?
 

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LAraider is only one here telling the truth that online dating is ridiculously one sided/rigged against men.
No, we all said that. @LARaiders85 made some good points. You are not seeing through your own BS. We've all been there bro. You are just too stubborn to see through the trees.
 

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what's the solution? If i get super lean, I can probably top out at maybe a 7.5 to 8ish range. I'm never going to be a 9/10

basically it sounds like you recommend just giving up and trying real life dating.
If you want my help, show me the 10 girls you have messaged.
 

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Who gives a fvck about Photofeeler? Is that you Big Neal? All hung up on your Photofeeler ratings?

Let me save you some time- Photofeeler doesnt get you laid. Going out with the goal of just socializing and having fun, grabbing a chick's number here and there, messaging her a few days later so you dont act like a thirsty dude and getting them out on dates.

That is what gets you laid. What part of this are you missing?

Get off OLD since your ego obviously cannot take the rejection you're getting on there and just go hang out with some people in your social circle. If you dont have a social circle, that is the first stop to social success.

Pro tip- Social success is the best way to get chicks.
I make friends everywhere I go. Nobody knows any quality single women

I have to randomly approach, which is crazy hard.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Someone send me a reasonably good profile narrative please. I want to see what Dave is claiming.
 

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I think SS admin's should give an award to Big Dave for starting the longest and most redundant topics in regard to the same question and struggles he's experiencing for over a year on SS.
 

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Not sure. Again, post your profile and post your messages and we can see what you are doing. @sazc had made some points on Bumble. Try that out and just because they swiped on you, doesn't mean you have to go out with them. Use it for practice to hone in on your game.
The nice thing about bumble is that, once you Swype right on a chick, she WILL be presented with your profile to ponder.

Similarly, if a chick swypes right on you, you WILL be presented with her profile to ponder.

That's not to say that all profiles you are presented with are ppl who have swyped right in you, but it does get you in the game a little more.

I will Swype right on a profile, not get a match, and then an hour later the same guy is in my inbox expressing interest. It seems as if, once I expressed initial interest, that was enough for him to reciprocate.
 

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basically it sounds like you recommend just giving up and trying real life dating.
Thats the point everyone is making here Neal. I mean Dave. lol.

You have a ego as strong as 1/64" glass. Stay off of OLD because if you arent in the top 5% you arent getting any action. OLD is one sided. The chicks who are 5's think they can get 8's simply because the 8's just want them for a piece of @ss here and there and they dont understand that the guy who is an 8 is never going to be seen in public with them. Its all smoke and mirrors yet the chicks on there are overvaluing themselves.

Is this that hard to comprehend? This forum is littered with OLD threads. Go away and read some more. Check back in another month.
 

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No, we all said that. @LARaiders85 made some good points. You are not seeing through your own BS. We've all been there bro. You are just too stubborn to see through the trees.
no matter how much I looksmax, I'll never be above a 7.5 to 8...which sounds like is not enough

So all you guys are recommending to me is to completely give up
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Someone send me a reasonably good profile narrative please. I want to see what Dave is claiming.
No offense but amantes OLD profile narrative wouldn't work for you. The narrative doesn't match the picture you present here. I'm wondering if the same is happening with Dave.
 

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I have to randomly approach, which is crazy hard.
Please show me someone on here that thinks this is super easy. I will wait.

Answer- nobody does. But once you do it enough as in "just being friendly" and socializing it becomes natural, regardless of if the chick is a 6 or a 9.

You need to work on your own ability to handle rejection before you can do anything.
 

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The nice thing about bumble is that, once you Swype right on a chick, she WILL be presented with your profile to ponder.

Similarly, if a chick swypes right on you, you WILL be presented with her profile to ponder.

That's not to say that all profiles you are presented with are ppl who have swyped right in you, but it does get you in the game a little more.

I will Swype right on a profile, not get a match, and then an hour later the same guy is in my inbox expressing interest. It seems as if, once I expressed initial interest, that was enough for him to reciprocate.
7/10 women on bumble in mid 20s are looking for 10/10 men

your experience is worthless. Females play dating game on retarded easy mode
 

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Please show me someone on here that thinks this is super easy. I will wait.

Answer- nobody does. But once you do it enough as in "just being friendly" and socializing it becomes natural, regardless of if the chick is a 6 or a 9.

You need to work on your own ability to handle rejection before you can do anything.
No one here thinks cold approach is easy.

As a female I WISH men would cold airsick more often - at least TRY to small talk to feel it out
 
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No offense but amantes old profile narrative wouldn't work for you. The narrative doesn't match the picture you present here. I'm wondering if the same is happening with Dave.
Possibly. I’m not offended at all. I’m just not buying all this.
I have plenty of pictures. That one is from a mancamp on the north slope of Alaska. I do have nice suits. Lol
I look good in one.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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