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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

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drift king

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this young HB i been trying to see is making it too difficult for me to make arrangements with her because of all these start of uni events she's booked in advance.

i don't know how to deal with her, i literally gave her an ultimatum last week that if she didn't give me a time i'd walk. so when i contacted her that evening she gave me tomorrow but this was like a week in advance. i try to tell her today what time and she tells me she's booked this week long party event (parties every night) so can't do it.

her interest in me is slowly starting to dwindle and this always seems to happen cos whenever there is a flake be it legitimate or just a fake flake it still results in her interest dropping.

do i need to make it clear that i want to see her and tell her to give me a time?

she goes 'i dont plan things like a week in advance' (this was in response to my 'ok lets meet up this time next week then..') i didn't know how to respond so i said 'ok i'll call you later in the week and we'll make arrangements then.

i keep getting caught between trying to be assertive without being full on and casual yet firm but it never works and i end up looking afc.

my phone game is weak compared to my date game.. if i could just get her out then i would have no problem. should i just next this one?

it's been going on too long and if i had more options i'd leave it in a heartbeat.
 

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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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DonGorgon

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Its over... young HBs are in such high demand that they dont need to give second chances .. if they want to F you they will and they will do it fast.. But if they dont they will drag things out and expect you to take hints... The biggest hint is them not calling you and or not returning your calls!
 

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I would just move on. Her IL is low.

Don't call her, contact her or get in touch with her in any sort of way. Give the no-contact period long enough and there is a chance she might try to contact you.

IMO, if you are running into this problem a lot, it's because you're too available and you probably don't have a ton of options. Play the field and give yourself some options so you don't ever make yourself too available.
 

drift king

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MikeYikes122 said:
I would just move on. Her IL is low.

Don't call her, contact her or get in touch with her in any sort of way. Give the no-contact period long enough and there is a chance she might try to contact you.

IMO, if you are running into this problem a lot, it's because you're too available and you probably don't have a ton of options. Play the field and give yourself some options so you don't ever make yourself too available.

see how long is the no contact period?

is it the length of time where she realises you're no longer calling her.. if she's really busy and has loads of guys after her is she really gona be thinking about you or notice that?

it have to be something like a news feed update on facebook for her to realise 'oh he hasn't call me in a while.. what happened?'

when her interest level drops from high to low is it even possible to increase it again?

it's true i come across too available.. i get too anxious and make afc mistakes of say i make a call and it doesn't go the way i want it and i dont date close i get frustrated and may call the next day to make a date again.

what i do after that is irrelevant cos i think in their eyes i come across as too needy.
 

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drift king said:
see how long is the no contact period?

is it the length of time where she realises you're no longer calling her.. if she's really busy and has loads of guys after her is she really gona be thinking about you or notice that?

it have to be something like a news feed update on facebook for her to realise 'oh he hasn't call me in a while.. what happened?'

when her interest level drops from high to low is it even possible to increase it again?

it's true i come across too available.. i get too anxious and make afc mistakes of say i make a call and it doesn't go the way i want it and i dont date close i get frustrated and may call the next day to make a date again.

what i do after that is irrelevant cos i think in their eyes i come across as too needy.
There is no length for the no-contact period. In fact, "period" is probably a bad word for it.

Forget about her. Move on with your life and date other women, and she MIGHT reach out to you. Whatever you do, do not wait by the phone for her or even think about her.

Like I said in my first post, it seems you are coming off as needy because you isolate girls you date and have no options beside the one you are calling. If you're still learning the game, you should be dating multiple girls or at least giving yourself options. This helps you act naturally and keeps you from coming off as needy when you're trying to set up a date with a girl.

Prize yourself and meet as many girls as possible.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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