"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Am I over-reacting?

taiyuu_otoko

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I concur, you are WAY overreacting.

you: Nice day for a run.

she: (thinking you were stating your intentions of going running later)
I already went to the gym.

That, imo, is a totally normal acceptable logical answer.

get more experience talking to people. If you only expect people to respond the way you expect, brother you are in for a world of trouble and confusion.

Most people use the following structure for communication:

Questions are GENERALLY followed by answers.
Statements are GENERALLY followed by, anything, really.

Whenever you throw out a statement like "its a nice day for a run", you gotta learn to take what you get in response, if you get anything, and DO something with it. If you are EXPECTING something, and you get something different, then you end up thinking you need to put people in their place, or other nonsense like that.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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drak_ool

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so DonJuan 11, you basically got rejected BEFORE you could even make a move. Dude, you re pathetic! you haven't learn a single thing since getting on this website yet you still try to give advice to others.

like somebody else said, what s really illogical is why would a sane human being waste so much time trying to figure out an almost neutral reaction from a stranger...
 

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She thought you were going to ask her to go running. That's all! So, she was telling you she'd already been to the gym.

The end!
 
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DonJuan11 said:
She brought it up, not me.
You should have accused her of being boring and not having anything interesting to say besides commenting on the weather. Then she would begin trying to validate herself, and you can hit it off from there.
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
I concur, you are WAY overreacting.

you: Nice day for a run.

she: (thinking you were stating your intentions of going running later)

Where did I say I wanted to go running with her? I just ran 10 miles and slept with my gf before I said that. Who said I wanted to run with her? Why did she assume this? How big is her ego to automatically assume it?

I already went to the gym.

That, imo, is a totally normal acceptable logical answer.

Most people use the following structure for communication:

Questions are GENERALLY followed by answers.
Statements are GENERALLY followed by, anything, really.

Fair enough, but statements have to flow with the topic of conversation, otherwise we would not function as a society and everyone would have ADD. If I'm in a meeting and I say "Microsoft stock just went up 39 cents" and my colleague said "I just bought a computer", do I not think this guy's an idiot?

Whenever you throw out a statement like "its a nice day for a run", you gotta learn to take what you get in response, if you get anything, and DO something with it.

OK but that's not the point.

If you are EXPECTING something, and you get something different, then you end up thinking you need to put people in their place, or other nonsense like that.

I was expecting something that following the logic of my statement, such as "yes it is" or "no it isn't", but not "I already went the gym". Imagine if she said to me "It's a good day to go the movies" and I said "I've already seen Juno." She would think I'm the biggest idiot in the world.
I have to call her on flattering herself. If every hot girl thinks like her, how the heck can we talk to any hot girls?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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DonJuan11 said:
I have to call her on flattering herself. If every hot girl thinks like her, how the heck can we talk to any hot girls?
Although I agree that she pre-empted you asking her to go for a run, you can still play dumb and turn it into an advantage. It allows you to talk to her and ask her out without weirding her out. Next time you see her, or indeed you can knock on her door, you can say:

"Hey hows it going ... you know last time you mentioned you'd already gone running, well it's supposed to be sunny tomorrow/whenever so do you fancy going running with me in the afternoon?" - Or something like that.

MM
 

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Mad Manic said:
Although I agree that she pre-empted you asking her to go for a run, you can still play dumb and turn it into an advantage. It allows you to talk to her and ask her out without weirding her out. Next time you see her, or indeed you can knock on her door, you can say:

"Hey hows it going ... you know last time you mentioned you'd already gone running, well it's supposed to be sunny tomorrow/whenever so do you fancy going running with me in the afternoon?" - Or something like that.

If I see her again, it will go like this:

Me: Hey, how are you?
Her: Good, how are you?
Me: Good. Hey, remember the other day when we ran into each other and you said it was nice weather and I said it was a good day for a run?"
Her: I think so
Me: Well after I said that you said "I already went to the gym". But I never asked you to go running with me, I just said it was a nice day for a run. I was a little confused why you said you already went to the gym.
Her: JUDGEMENT DAY ANSWER
Me: JUDGEMENT DAY RESPONSE

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Estelle (Joey's agent): Do you have a problem with full frontal nudity?
Joey: Are you kidding? I never rent a movie without it!
 

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do not call her out on it. that would not be the DJ thing to do. the DJ thing to do is not make a big deal about, because if you do you will ruin any chance of being with this chick. just act like it never happened.
I wouldn't do this either, not so much because you want to hit it later, but because it really just sounds like a language barrier thing. She just didn't understand you. I don't think there is enough information there to say she was necessarily rebuffing you, unless there is some body language there you didn't tell us about. Not worth worrying about, and you can try talking to her again and see how she reacts to that conversation.

If that doesn't work, have her azz deported.
 
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