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All of this rejection is making me depressed

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exactly!! And it's how I explain the fact that i've banged some girls way out of my league despite not being good looking.
People think i'm gonna pat myself on the back and claim it was my super advanced 'game', but that's bull****. Game isn't black magic. We can't make girls sexually attracted too us with pushpull and dhv's and an understanding of female psychology etc. Just marketing BS. Watch infields from coaches and how they get rejected so much. Her mind is basically made up after 'hi'.

I banged them girls beacause for whatever reason, they thought I was fairly hot (physically). They maybe had unusual taste lol. And form there I had enough 'game' to escalate without sperging out

As you say, I used to work for a logistics company and the offices was mainly all young girls. Some very hot. These lasy cows would spend all day on insta and stuff DMing random guys who they thought were hot and stuff whilst they were supposed to be working, and whilst there was a general consensus, there was always one girl who seemed to have VERY different taste to the rest and would get teased like ''You think HE's hot!!? He's so skinny!! His nose is big!!'' etc etc, but she found him hot. She was also probably the hottest of the group lol
Interesting point on looks. Good looking guys / chads simply appeal to a broader range of girls, while average or sub-average looking guys may just appeal to a niche category who is into that type. So you had to find a niche girl which comes from shifting through all of the rejections, etc.... and struck gold because someone liked your looks.

In my mind I think your looks changes if you also cold-approach or run game. Your face is more animated and there is more positive energy as a net, so being out and about socially has to add to your overall looks too.
 

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all i can say is when i truly stopped caring about having a woman in my life i never felt such a sense of freedom and well being before. I dont know if its my age or if im just numb to wanting to date anymore but i just dont care anymore. I have zero tolerance for drama or bs anymore and it seems the less im interested in women the more they are interested in me. I think what saves me is having other focuses and passions in life now that are higher priorities than chasing tail and getting laid. It's very freeing is all i can say. I guess its a mindset but whatever it is im happier than i have ever been before because stay or leave i just dont care.
That's a good cope. We can see how good the blackpill is.
 

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Most of the times when people talk about rejection they aren’t talking about a 10 second cold approach on some random girl. They’re talking about someone they’ve talked to and gotten to know. That’s the stuff that messes with your mind.
That's why you should actively avoid getting to know women that aren't with the program.
 

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That's why you should actively avoid getting to know women that aren't with the program.
That’s the thing. They put on the ACT like they’re with the program until they aren’t all of a sudden. They say and do all the right things in the beginning.
 

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That's a good cope. We can see how good the blackpill is.
Really, that is more MGTOW than it is black pill. I can't really see anything good that comes from the black pill. But, I also don't really understand MGTOW either. I legitmately enjoy women and want to sleep with them. So, both are foreign concepts. If black pill helps you cope with life in general then more power to you.
 

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That makes me want to date women even less to be honest.
This is your main issue. You are looking for reasons to dislike women. You want women to think exactly like men think and make decisions based upon logic and reason and to show "respect." It's not how they are programmed. You are better off being MGTOW if that is something you can't come to grips with.
 

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I dont wanna give up but its tough out there
It seems something deeper than only being rejected by someone. I would try to address some past experience that you might felt rejected and comprehend how it is affecting you in adult life.

I can understand a bit how you might be feeling cause I had problems with that. Was rejected by women, friends and family when I was young and it took a while to change my relationship with that.

What I suggest: try to dont create much expectation over someone. Accepting that rejection may happen in some situation helps to deal with that. Its ok if someone say no or reject you. Its not your fault and ure not bad or unworthy because of that. The same way someone says no to you, you might say no to someone in some moment and thats completely normal.

Focus on understanding that relationship you internalized about rejection. The more you understand, the more you cure it.

Hope you stay well. If depression is to hard to deal, try to find a good therapist. I have it too and therapy helps a lot.

Wish you the best man! :)
 

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Really, that is more MGTOW than it is black pill. I can't really see anything good that comes from the black pill. But, I also don't really understand MGTOW either. I legitmately enjoy women and want to sleep with them. So, both are foreign concepts. If black pill helps you cope with life in general then more power to you.
MTGOW is blackpill. Who here does not enjoy women? But they have to want you too.
 

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MTGOW is blackpill.
I am no MGTOW expert - but I would disagree. MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way - is simply men who have decided to pursue other interests and cut women out of their life. Nothing more. Black Pill are men who borderline hate women because they perceive women only care about physical or financial characteristics of men and nothing else - these men tend to give up on women and become incels because they think they aren't good enough to attract them. Sure, there can be overlap, heavy overlap in fact, between the two concepts. But I disagree they are one in the same.
 

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I am no MGTOW expert - but I would disagree. MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way - is simply men who have decided to pursue other interests and cut women out of their life. Nothing more. Black Pill are men who borderline hate women because they perceive women only care about physical or financial characteristics of men and nothing else - these men tend to give up on women and become incels because they think they aren't good enough to attract them. Sure, there can be overlap, heavy overlap in fact, between the two concepts. But I disagree they are one in the same.
...and you meet the physical and financial characteristics?
 

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...and you meet the physical and financial characteristics?
A couple of posters here know what I look like. I would say I am good looking guy - and I make good money. I also do well with women. So I guess the answer would be yes.
 

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This is your main issue. You are looking for reasons to dislike women. You want women to think exactly like men think and make decisions based upon logic and reason and to show "respect." It's not how they are programmed. You are better off being MGTOW if that is something you can't come to grips with.
Actually I had way more success when I was young a naive about women lol
 

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A couple of posters here know what I look like. I would say I am good looking guy - and I make good money. I also do well with women. So I guess the answer would be yes.
That sort of undermines your whole arguement then. Maybe you would not like women that much if they were not attracted to you and you had to escortcel. Saying you "legitimately like women" sounds hollow.
 

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That sort of undermines your whole arguement then. Maybe you would not like women that much if they were not attracted to you and you had to escortcel. Saying you "legitimately like women" sounds hollow.
It doesn't undermine my argument at all. I know plenty of average looking guys with average jobs that get women. I don't understand your point. "Legitimately liking women" is germane here -- because it is anti-blackpill.

You are setting up a straw man to make my points seem illegitimate - but it doesn't make a difference. We've gone back and forth on this before @corrector - we both know I am not going to change your opinion nor you mine. We can agree to disagree.
 

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My view is status, women will do some real weird stuff if you have status. Ive seen it many a time, from different men.

you can literally message like a dyslexic if you have social status & she will think its sexy/carry the convo.
Having Game is a potent form of status and proofing. If you can communicate well with women she just assumes that have you have status/proof because she's turned on.
 

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Having Game is a potent form of status and proofing. If you can communicate well with women she just assumes that have you have status/proof because she's turned on.
If you have good game you are confident. Confidence is sexy to women. The two go hand in hand. I would venture you don't even really have to have status to attract women if you have good game and are confident. Granted a lot of the black pill guys floating around here will disagree.
 

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If you have good game you are confident. Confidence is sexy to women. The two go hand in hand. I would venture you don't even really have to have status to attract women if you have good game and are confident. Granted a lot of the black pill guys floating around here will disagree.
Confidence is the key. If you're confident then she assumes you're doing well in life and you basically take care of the status/proofing aspect of her attraction triggers.
 

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You're right and wrong. There are differences in types of women. Some women will respond better to a guy where his looks are way better than his game whereas other women will not go for this type of guy but rather the average one with very tight game. Very handsome guys without tight game can usually get their foot in the door but in the end (relationship) they'll usually mess it up because their game is almost non-existent. You always need at least a little game, but usually the more handsome you are, the more retarded you can be.
I'll say it again. Women aren't visual like us. Women sometimes bang hot guys just for sport. But she'd much rather bang a hot guy with Game. Women just aren't turned on by guys who are poor, uncalibrated communicators.

Women need fantasy to really get turned on. You build her fantasy by the way you communicate with you.

Hot Women who just want to have sex with guys based on their looks are actually pretty rare.
 
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