She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Are you serious?perseverance said:That's not his choice, that's her choice and if she wants to keep it, then tough sh*t for the OP. He should have thought about this outcome prior to deciding not to use a condom.
Men who screw chicks without protection deserve everything they get for being so stupid in the first place.
"Stupid is as stupid does".
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
That's another good point.JonJaper said:LOL exactly. "I think 29's about right" is one of the worst reasons for having a kid with a woman you barely know.
Plus OP...what kind of mother is she gonna be if she lies about taking the pill and made you go bareback??
Disregard religion, abort now. For the good of yourself, the woman and the baby.
Dude that's the law in most Western countries. Women have a legal right to make the decision whether to keep the baby or abort it...men don't.Halcyonique said:Are you serious?
Thought needs to be on this potential life here rather than petty vengeance for the father.
If that kid has a sh!t father because "lol teh dad had sex so nao he deserves that kid for teh lulz", that innocent child will bear the brunt of that mess.
Jesus Christ.
Do you actually want a baby with a woman you barely even know?Htienvu said:I do want to keep the baby! It's nothing to do with her, it's because I am at an age where I want kids, also I think it's wrong to kill off a life that's just started.
I am not sure how she feels, because of her family situation I think she's leaning towards abortion. I will talk to her about it tonight.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
No. You haven't thought it through. You are not capable of thinking things through. It's not your fault though , you simply don't have the skills. Your decision is rash, emotional and is going to hurt a lot of people in the short run.Htienvu said:I've read all your opinions and understood everyone's point! I've thought it through and I try convincing her to keep it. Abortion has always been wrong in my books, not because of religion, it's my own set of beliefs. I am financially sound and understand all the complications involved! Let's see how things turn out after I talk to her. Like I said, will respect her decision regardless.
Thanks everyone.
This. Future mom lies about taking the pill so future dad goes bareback...and future dad only wants the kid because "29 seems like the right age to have one". Future parents barely know each other.AlexDP said:No. You haven't thought it through. You are not capable of thinking things through. It's not your fault though , you simply don't have the skills. Your decision is rash, emotional and is going to hurt a lot of people in the short run.
That being said, you could eventuually make a good father. The odds are against you as everything you've done up till now is pretty damn stupid and I'm not banking on this toddler having any sort of meaningful life, but I suppose anything is possible. Best of luck.
That is absurd, why would I want to pin any woman down! I know what I have in my life, I know how capable I am to raise a kid. Financially, emotionally stable enough with a good family behind me why can't I raise a kid? You guys talking like I am some kid just turned 18, I understand and thought about everything that is involved with having a child. I know that I haven't known her for that long to consider it, but hey! Shiet happens, when it happens to you you just got to deal with it.Serg897 said:This is one of the most absurd threads I have seen in a long time. The OP is acting like an idiot thinking that its a good idea to raise a child with a woman he barely knows. He's got a misguided mentality thinking that he can dive into a serious relationship involving a kid with this woman and it will end with them living happily ever after.
What I suspect is really going on is that he is just desperate to pin this woman down with him and is using the pregnancy as leverage. It wont work.
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
If I am a good father and I will be, why wouldn't my kid have a meaningful life?AlexDP said:No. You haven't thought it through. You are not capable of thinking things through. It's not your fault though , you simply don't have the skills. Your decision is rash, emotional and is going to hurt a lot of people in the short run.
That being said, you could eventuually make a good father. The odds are against you as everything you've done up till now is pretty damn stupid and I'm not banking on this toddler having any sort of meaningful life, but I suppose anything is possible. Best of luck.
Well, I hear that 29 is a good age to have a child with a girl you barely know who lies about being on the pill.J Roc said:Congratulations on 216 Monthly Child Support Payments!
Little background on the girl; she's 28 years old, overseas student, family owns hotel and businesses back home which she was running until she wanted to get a masters in business here in the UK. She's paying £13k to do a master this year, I own my own shop with decent income but she is much more well off than I am.J Roc said:Congratulations on 216 Monthly Child Support Payments!
I wish I still had such an innocent view of the world.Htienvu said:Little background on the girl; she's 28 years old, overseas student, family owns hotel and businesses back home which she was running until she wanted to get a masters in business here in the UK. She's paying £13k to do a master this year, I own my own shop with decent income but she is much more well off than I am.
She don't need child support! it's a stupid mistake I've made by not using a condom but I will deal with it by my own beliefs. This has got nothing to do with the girl.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
That's cool, I appreciate thoughtful opinions. I am going to go into this with open eyes. This could be great or it could turn very sour, I've thought about both side of things. Maybe my thinking has got to do with the Oriental culture approach to things, we're on different wavelengths when it comes to personal/family situations.Iceberg said:I wish I still had such an innocent view of the world.
It's not about need. It's about the fact that she can have it.
We don't live in a world of women who think, "I don't need to leech $5,000 a month from my ex, so I'll just get by on my own income." It's more like "$5,000 in free money just for getting knocked up? Sure, I'll take it."
Okay...I don't want to paint women to be THAT evil. It's just that once she starts seeing her own bank account dwindle, and once she hears stories of you dating other women, and moving on with your life, she'll start to take the "entitled" approach that all women go down. "I'm watching this kid 70% of the time. I put on 25 pounds from getting pregnant. I'm less desirable to other males. He OWES me extra money."
They won't think of it as stealing your money. They'll justify what you "owe" them...and whatever the lawyer can throw on top of that, they'll get that too.
Things could go great between you and this woman. I'm not trying to take the typical Sosuave, women-are-the-devil viewpoint. But you gotta go into this with open eyes.
Not trying to belittle you. Just giving you something to think about.
Htienvu said:Little background on the girl; she's 28 years old, overseas student, family owns hotel and businesses back home which she was running until she wanted to get a masters in business here in the UK. She's paying £13k to do a master this year, I own my own shop with decent income but she is much more well off than I am.
She don't need child support! it's a stupid mistake I've made by not using a condom but I will deal with it by my own beliefs. This has got nothing to do with the girl.
bertstare.jpgHtienvu said:Well, had a talk with her and will keep the baby, hopefully there's no complication with the pregnancy at this early stage.