After you realize how much work and sacrifice it takes to get hot girls, you wouldn't want to.

[ubercat]

I ve had a couple. Sheer dumb luck right place right time. No game involved. What game has got me is a truckload of 6s and 7s. And the smarts to not be a betaskin rug for them to step on.

 

[bigneil]

Subtitled: if you want hot girls, don't Listen to Olly.

 

[playa99]

The OP is right, PUA stuff is not great! It is gimmicky and a lot of dudes are out there making fake videos to rip off desperate chumps!

That being said, the rest of the post translates to 'if something's hard, why bother?'

You get one life, why waste that deciding that the best of jobs and hottest of women aren't available to you?

 

[bigneil]

I managed to start dating the most beautiful girl I know. It's gone pretty well, but the biggest dividends were the other women. Since I got some photos of her and in particular photos of us together, dozens of other girls have thrown themselves at me, to the point where I literally have an endless supply of dates. Just about every girl I ever dated is now available. All they need to do is see me with a prettier girl and they are ready to go. Every girl wants to steal you away from a hotter girl. So even if dating beautiful women is often a huge pain, it's worth it.

 

[pyros]

In my experience, if you're an average looking guy , even if you work out and try to look your best, you get average to above average girls (from 5s to 7s), and that's it.
Well, if you have other pluses like a lot of money, or some extra talent you may get a slighly hotter girl, but that's it.

AND, you get these girls if you put the effort in getting them, I mean, you go out, try to have a fun outgoing personality, etc, etc etc.

Getting very hot girls in an 'easy' way, just happens when you're above average looking + you have money OR high status.

After many years I now just go for girls that I find kind of hot or cute and they obviously show interest. That's it.

 

[RangerMIke]

PUAs stuff is nothing more than building a facade. It does work if all you want is to bang chicks and move on to the next, but these women are not the best you can get with some effort.

Be the very best man you can be, put down the XBox, quit smoking, taking drugs and heavy drinking. Start working out and eating healthy. Get some active hobbies and be in the world. Being rich handsome and cool is no guarantee that you can get any woman you want. But if you are the best man you can be personally, you will increase the number of women who will be interested in you.

Then don't chase women, let them express interest in you and try to make dates... if she is interested, she will make things easy, then just be a man and she will be in love with you in a couple for weeks.... It really is not hard. But you have to build your life FOR YOU. Be a better man because that is the best way to go through life.

 

[The Duke]

if she is interested, she will make things easy, then just be a man and she will be in love with you in a couple for weeks.....

had to laugh when I read this! Lots of truth to that.

 

[WitnessGR]

And for every one of those guys who made it, there are 99 other guys who tried and failed. Maybe it was through no fault of their own, but there's only so much room at the top. Of the guys you mentioned, the bar owner probably has the best chance of success, but I've known many guys who have opened their own bar only to see it fail.

Tyler (Owen) from RSD is another guy who seems to imply that it takes a lot of work to get hot girls. All that "You have to go out six nights a week for 10 years and then you still might not be good at it" stuff has to make you think maybe it isn't worth it.

If you are good, there is always room at the top. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

The middle is a tough place to be, the middle is crowded with people but it implants seeds of failure because you can see the top from where you are l, but you cannot reach it. People at the bottom simply plead no contest and have the WY bother attitude

 

[zekko]

It is no secret that the most desirable women have the most choices. The most desirable women pair off with the most desirable men...men who themselves have the most choices.

I definitely agree, but that brings up a question: Does being desireable to the opposite sex actually mean that you are better than the next guy? Or does not being that desireable make you a lesser person?

By the way, I don't know why some people are attacking the OP. They do teach here that women should not be a top priority, so I do think he asks s legitimate question.

 

[Roober]

In my experience, if you're an average looking guy , even if you work out and try to look your best, you get average to above average girls (from 5s to 7s), and that's it.
Well, if you have other pluses like a lot of money, or some extra talent you may get a slighly hotter girl, but that's it.

AND, you get these girls if you put the effort in getting them, I mean, you go out, try to have a fun outgoing personality, etc, etc etc.

Getting very hot girls in an 'easy' way, just happens when you're above average looking + you have money OR high status.

After many years I now just go for girls that I find kind of hot or cute and they obviously show interest. That's it.

Not sure I agree. Average looking guys can boost themselves up pretty well with very simple things like taking care of body, etc. An average guy with a killer body will pull hotties no problem. If that average guy has game or assets, he will elevate himself to the top very easily. I have dropped about 15 lbs in the last couple months, and have more definition (nowhere near what I want), and have noticed 6's are just downright in awe like.. "you want to hang out with me?" I imagine when I add more bulk, 7's will have this same thought.

And I am very average in terms of overall appearance, but I dress well, take care of myself, and appear confident (have been told by several women, "I love the way you carry yourself")

What I have noticed is that hottie's tend to not really have personality. I have found my niche to be mid 7's and 8's. Of the women I have considered 9's, they lacked any real depth to consider anything more than getting laid. And often times, the secks isn't even that great. 8's are even debatably boring as well...

This is how I see it...
6 - your average girl that is cute, but doesn't really draw significant attention from other men
7 - guys will tell your girl is cute, and you notice other men checking her out
8 - turns heads, gets lots of looks... this is where personality tends to take a dip
9 - These women will make you look like an absolute stud. Guys are envious of you and asking how you did it....
10 - I don't think these really exist... For me, a 10 is a 9 with intelligence, independent, motherly, humble, supportive, and 50 other positive traits.. they just don't really exist...

I also believe 8's and 9's are easier with good game! They don't get approached much because guys are think the old BS "she is out of my league".

There is no such thing as "leagues", no woman is out of reach. If you honestly believe this, you are wasting your time on SS.

 

[zekko]

I also believe 8's and 9's are easier with good game! They don't get approached much because guys are think the old BS "she is out of my league".

I remember hearing that when I was a kid, and I was very disappointed when I grew up and realized that it wasn't true. My experience is that the best looking women I've seen have men all over them like flies. I think that women like to put out this "No one asks me out because I'm too pretty" idea just to get more attention. And as much attention as they do get, they think they should be getting more.

 

[Roober]

I remember hearing that when I was a kid, and I was very disappointed when I grew up and realized that it wasn't true. My experience is that the best looking women I've seen have men all over them like flies. I think that women like to put out this "No one asks me out because I'm too pretty" idea just to get more attention. And as much attention as they do get, they think they should be getting more.

Well, they have tons of orbiters and unwanted attention. Not sure they get lots of legitimate attention from legitimate guys. My ex got cat-called and random schmucks coming up to her frequently, but almost never any guy worth more than a bag of rocks. And I would say she was a 7-8. Would be interesting to actually determine though.

Regardless, you are better than all those other men, and she wants you... that is the mindset you have to have. Attractive women will not tolerate insecurity.

 

[The Duke]

Good, then just go ahead and give up on getting what you really want. Makes it easier for me! No participation trophies here....run a long little boys!!!!!!!!

 

[wifehunter]

Turn this on its head; only adore an adorable woman.

Try to find a needle in a haystack, what????

 

[Roober]

Good, then just go ahead and give up on getting what you really want. Makes it easier for me! No participation trophies here....run a long little boys!!!!!!!!

This had me rolling...

more for us!

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

I remember hearing that when I was a kid, and I was very disappointed when I grew up and realized that it wasn't true. My experience is that the best looking women I've seen have men all over them like flies. I think that women like to put out this "No one asks me out because I'm too pretty" idea just to get more attention. And as much attention as they do get, they think they should be getting more.

BAM!!! Quoted for truth

 

[BeExcellent]

I definitely agree, but that brings up a question: Does being desireable to the opposite sex actually mean that you are better than the next guy? Or does not being that desireable make you a lesser person?

By the way, I don't know why some people are attacking the OP. They do teach here that women should not be a top priority, so I do think he asks s legitimate question.

I agree women should not be top priority in a man's life. If they are you are going to give off the wrong vibe and smother a woman with too much attention. If I hear a man say "I know how to treat a lady"...it's almost a yellow flag because anyone who makes such a statement really makes my stage 5 clinger radar go up. I don't go by words, I go by actions.

As far as "lesser" person or whether or not a person is desirable all I can say is that attraction is complex. The man I married as some here may know fit the bar owner profile above in the OP. He was attractive but not the best looking man I ever dated, in fact several men I dated long term were much better looking. He was not the most successful either, I had dated well off good looking men. But my ex understood women very well. He carried himself with a deep seated confidence and he wasn't the least bit intimidated by my looks or by beautiful women. He was cool and direct about what he wanted. He was very sexy. I had dated men that women fawned all over that were model good looking (one was a professional model actually) who were not sexy in the same way. Sexy is different than good looking.

Sexy comes from self confidence before it comes from anything else. If you want great sex in your relationship find someone you find to be very sexy...and date women who find you very sexy. This is what desirability is. I dated a dentist in NYC many years ago. His comment about models (and he had dated several) was that they are too insecure to truly be sexy in many cases. He complained that the model types he dated were actually the worst in bed because they were too in their own head to relax and enjoy sex.

If you grow your own self confidence as a man through your "man" pursuits, whatever those are, and you take care of your appearance and take pride in yourself then as your self confidence grows your sex appeal will grow as well. Nobody likes neurotic people very long, neurotic people, insecure people become annoying fast, no matter how handsome or pretty the outside wrapping.

I've said before that "sexy" is my #1 criteria. If I don't want to eventually be sexual with a man I'm not going to bother. However, sexiness is NOT every woman's #1 criteria. That's where it gets tricky. For some women good looking is #1, for some women intelligence is #1, for some women status is #1, for some women wealth is #1, for some women fitness/body is #1...you don't know a woman's criteria by looking at her.

So you should approach if you find her attractive. That is the only way you are going to have a shot.

 

[BeExcellent]

Well, they have tons of orbiters and unwanted attention. Not sure they get lots of legitimate attention from legitimate guys.

Regardless, you are better than all those other men, and she wants you... that is the mindset you have to have. Attractive women will not tolerate insecurity.

First part of this quote is SO true.

As far as legitimate attention it just depends on the environment she is in. In some environments there are LOTS of legit man giving legit attention. If a woman hangs out where men with substance hang out she is still an attractive woman. She's just in a more target rich environment as far as better quality men. She will have quality options.

The last part of the quote is of EPIC importance. She chose you. Reinforce her choice by being the man she chose. Insecurity is the single fastest way to kill the attraction of a desirable woman. It makes her question (subconsciously) why did she pick you. Don't do that.

 

[zekko]

Well, they have tons of orbiters and unwanted attention. Not sure they get lots of legitimate attention from legitimate guys.

Your original statement was They don't get approached much because guys are think the old BS "she is out of my league". Now I guess you're saying they don't get approached much by alpha males. Well, first off alpha men are fairly rare, so I imagine not many women get approached by a LOT of alpha males.

Secondly, no alpha male is not going to approach an attractive women because "she is out of my league", so I don't agree with that either. I still say that the most attractive women have men all over them like flies. Some of them will be alpha males. The most attractive women will always be the most in demand, that's just the way it is.

When I was younger, I heard all that "The prettiest girls don't get asked out because men are afraid" stuff. I thought wow, that's great, because I wouldn't be afraid to ask them. But like so many things we are told when we were kids, it was all BS. The prettiest girls have men all over them.

 

[The Duke]

Most of the women I've dated were head turners. You send your hot girl to the bar to get you a drink and there will be some random guy hitting on her before she gets back. If you aren't standing on top of her at a crowded concert, some guy will move in on her. From the ones I've been with, they got hit on and propositioned all the time.

My current girl has logged into her Match.com account and within 5minutes she had 5 messages. I sat there and saw it happen.