"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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titansremember

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My ex gf broke up with me 2 months ago after a 3 month relationship. I went NC and then we ended up making out at a huge campus party on Friday. We had both been drinking, but not excessively. She and I walk hand-in-hand to our dorm and it comes time for us to part ways and we make out some more. We don't have sex, as I'm f*cking tired and she has to get up early. I tell her to text me Monday, which was also stupid on my part because she does not have a phone (i know this for a fact). It was my personal choice to ask HER to contact me rather than ME just contact her. She was the one who ended the relationship and I didn't want to be wasting my time pursuing anything that would be a waste.

Anyways, it's the day afterwards and I really don't know where to go from here; if I should initiate or if I should just write this off as another drunken makeout (which I have no problem doing). I have gotten over my relationship with her and think it would be cool to have her around for sex. Any thoughts?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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titansremember

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EvilAgenda,

With a response like that, I can't help but play devil's advocate. What makes it so that I lose and SHE doesn't? We both did the same thing! Didn't we both "lose" this game you speak of? Not to mention I initiated every interaction that night, and she didn't give me a single "no." I'm not trying to "win my ex back" or anything like that. To me, she's just another plate I'm spinning. Not to mention I did EXACTLY what you said I should have done, and did not talk to my ex until the night was virtually over.

I do not want another relationship with this girl, just an opportunity to be f*ckbuddies. This just seems like the best opportunity due to her expressing sexual interest. And I would like to know the best way to achieve that goal, if I was not clear enough in my first post. I would like to hear advice other than "just give up" or "move on." Nothing is ever achieved that way. I have other prospects so I don't NEED this girl. I would just like some helpful advice for achieving my goal.
 

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You must wait this out until she contacts you. Then there is a chance.

Also, IMO once you've already had sex lots of times with a girl (to the point where it's not on your agenda so much), a real kiss can mean everything. It's rare to feel passion for a kiss after sex (kissin' don't last as they say), but when it's there it can be incredible.
 

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i agree with bigneil, yeah she doesn't have a phone, but if she wants to get hold of you she will! get on those other plates dude, sit this one out, I'm in similar situation myself and that's why this post appealed to me.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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EvilAgenda

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Lol, I donno, bigneil. You are playing the NC game, he doesn't need to.

He screwed up. His chances of turning her into a fkbuddy kinda went away when he made out with his drunk ex while at the party. Now she is gonna rationalize that kiss as, "he took advantage of me while I was drunk."

And if I was him, I wouldn't wait for her to contact me. I'd just go about the campus and build my reputation as the incredibly attractive and good in bed guy that any girl would be thrilled to fall into bed with.

By the way, titan, man, we don't mean to critique you, well maybe we do, but that is because we want to see success from you. So I do want you to turn that chick into a fkbuddy, and make her ache for sex with you, while she knows you are banging other chicks. Good luck.
 

Voice

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IMO, the only thing you should contact her about is sex. Do not pursue a relationship again. Not worth it bro. Be nonchalant about your interactions and continue to pursue other girls. You seem like you already have this mindset. She should just be like any other plate. If she contacts you about anything else but something sexual then ignore her.

Just remember you're a man and you know what you want.
 

titansremember

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Thanks guys for the replies, they're all really helpful. Just figured I'd post an update:

You guys have been telling me to go NC for a while, and while I see the benefits of this, I've been going that route for 2 months and decided to break out of that routine. She initiated contact with me, to which I was pretty nonchalant. I invited her to my place to "watch a movie" later ;) to which she agreed.

This time around, I'm more confident in myself, I'm spinning more plates, and what's more is that I know I want a purely sexual relationship instead of something committed, or just plain being unsure. This is something I actually think could work.

Anyways, I have a gameplan worked out, but was wondering if you guys had any suggestions provided she actually showed up? Anything I SHOULDN'T do? Any ways to prevent my AFC/****blocking roommates from f*cking things up? Please, feel free to help. Hell, even try to talk me out of it. Just need some outside guidance. Thanks.
 

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I have a plan:

Stop worrying so damn much about girls.

Don't you have other things to do? Women come and go but success stays with you. I'm saying this as someone who did the same dumbass things you're doing right now - planning your social life around some woman - when I could have been studying up, learning skills, seeing the world (and eating much more exotic p*ssy).

This has gotta be the 4th or 5th time you've posted about the same woman. Damn. Not only that, but when we give you advice, you like to play "devil's advocate." You're only advocating your own failure at life.

Unless you're a troll. In which case, whatever.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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