"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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AFC on the mend - Recent ONS

tomsawyer9173

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Just a little background on myself: I'm a college student and I've generally been pretty beta my whole life. Spent high school unequivocally as an AFC. That being said, I'm good looking, in great shape, and fairly accomplished. I go to a top university in the US. My whole life I get the script of "wow you'll be perfect for soemone womeday".

So recently I say **** it, I'm changing. (I've read a good bit on the Rational Male just fyi) So the other night I am at a party, lots of decent girls but one obviously above the rest (9/10). Now I'll describe what strategy i used and implore anyone to critique any aspect of my approach:

Didnt give her any attention whatsoever until we were near each other when I started to act ****y funny. Lot of teasing, no serious conversation whatsoever. I made a decent amount of stuff up when talking with her (mainly strange things that wouldnt necessarily attract any women - ie 'i only take ubers", ' ive been couch surfing for 2 months'.)

After a few hours the party's died down only me her and another dude left. The other dude, a good mate of mine, clearly wanted her too and was constantly pulling her over so she could sit near him on the couch. I continued ****y funny and deliberately tried to make space between myself and her. This just made her want to be closer so eventually i transitioned into the "i went to massage school for 10 days once let me try it on you". Within minutes we're making out and going back to her place (nearby apartment).

We're over there and making headway, clothes off when she asks me "so how much experience do you have". (I'd only had sex 3 other times before) I'll be honest, i stumbled a little bit and generally evaded the question. She kept pressing so I actually stopped her and said something to the extent "im not gonna deal with this I can go at any moment". That shut her up and we had sex soon after.

I hung around for another 45 mins with her before saying I had to go (this was about 6:30am). I didnt ask for her number, didnt say anything that would imply I would be seeing her again, we kissed and I left. It's been two days and I havent made any contact with her whatsoever (then again i never got her number). But no fb friending or snapchatting (im not even checking her stories).

Now, please tear me to shreds. What could I have done differently? Should I have gotten a number? What could I have done to make her really want to connect with me again? I'm new to all this. Thanks
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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amazingswayze

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I've never been in this situation before but I'll still speak my mind. You should've gotten her number just in case you wanted to see her again. This may make things more difficult.

Since you're analyzing the situation, you care about what happened. You gotta be okay with the fact that this may be nothing more than a one night stand.

From what I've read here, you need strong inner game to keep a girl for longer than a ONS.

I can't speak from experience so all I can really say to you is next time get her number if you can see yourself getting together with her again.

Cut your losses man and do better next time. Have no regrets. Be carefree.

Good luck!
 

tomsawyer9173

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amazingswayze said:
I've never been in this situation before but I'll still speak my mind. You should've gotten her number just in case you wanted to see her again. This may make things more difficult.

Since you're analyzing the situation, you care about what happened. You gotta be okay with the fact that this may be nothing more than a one night stand.

From what I've read here, you need strong inner game to keep a girl for longer than a ONS.

I can't speak from experience so all I can really say to you is next time get her number if you can see yourself getting together with her again.

Cut your losses man and do better next time. Have no regrets. Be carefree.

Good luck!
I appreciate the advice. There's another party this coming friday where I will be seeing her again. I'm thinking I will tease her a little, joke about the previous night, and then intentionally ignore her for a bit and see what happens. No cares, no regrets.
 

thatfeel

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The real question is, did you perform in bed OP?
 

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thatfeel said:
The real question is, did you perform in bed OP?
Boom. This right here would be the question I would have asked myself. Sounds like you were successful and played it off right, I just would have number closed. Then again, if she really wanted to see you again would she have remembered to think about getting your number? Otherwise nice job OP:rockon:
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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blind_one

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tomsawyer9173 said:
Now, please tear me to shreds. What could I have done differently? Should I have gotten a number? What could I have done to make her really want to connect with me again? I'm new to all this. Thanks
Well, good job overall, you played it right and closed the deal.

As for connecting, keep fvcking her good and she'll connect :yes: . You could have gotten the number if you wanted, it happends to me sometimes when I am having a good time I simply forget. Just roll with it and get it if you get an opportunity later. No rush , be suave and let the mojo flow.
 

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If you fvcked her well enough, she'll be looking for you dude, well done.
 

yungballa

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Well, you got to smashing her pretty easy and everything went right, so what's wrong, haha? You did everything perfectly right in that situation.

It all depends on whether you want to see her or not, though. Next time you go to the party if you still wanna see her I suggest you get the number or something to stay in contact. But other from that, you did a good job OP :up:
 

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Just don't fall into my problem of lack of inner game... I started a thread on my ons problem.

Read the book of pook!
 
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