"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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AFC friend gets *hot* girl

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Last night I found that a 15yo friend of mine is dating one of the hottest girls in my social circle (18yo). He's, by all means, an AFC, and very similar to what I was 2/3 years ago. The "bend-over" attitude, the weak voice, heck!, even the glasses...

I should be happy for this brother (and I am), but I must admit that this is like a thorn in my thoughts. I had to crawl my way out of a pit, suffer identity changes (painful so many times) and this guy, who's like my AFC-self from the past, gets the girl. Seriously, this guy had never even kissed a girl, now he's walking around with a bomb-shell around.

I honestly don't get this. WTF is happening here that I am not seeing? Do "niceness" truly wins in the end? LMAO!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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No, niceness doesn't win in the end.

She's likely going through a down swing at the moment and is using him as a rebound guy and because he gives her all the emotional supplication b.s that AFC's think works to win over a woman's heart she's getting what she needs in the moment and he is getting deceived thinking he is doing the right things.

Once her emotions clear from her past relationship or whatever caused the emotional turmoil she is going through at the moment to of given your friend this false chance with her he will be yesterday's news as she will be re-energized to go after what she really wants.

Believe that.
 

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KontrollerX said:
No, niceness doesn't win in the end.

She's likely going through a down swing at the moment and is using him as a rebound guy and because he gives her all the emotional supplicating b.s that AFC's think works to win over a woman's heart she's getting what she needs in the moment and he is getting deceived thinking he is doing the right things.

Once her emotions clear from her past relationship or whatever emotional turmoil she is going through at the moment to of given your friend this false chance with her he will be yesterday's news.

Believe that.
Damn, you seem to have got that right. The guy she was dating has moved on to her best friend (ouch!) and this AFC being a rebound guy may actually be the case.

Thanks, KontrollerX
 

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No problem man.

I've been through this situation as has a cousin of mine who was with an even hotter girl than I got and both my situation and my cousin's situation ended brutally because we were not what these chicks wanted.

All they wanted was someone to lick their wounds and give them ego validation until they were emotionally repaired enough to go after someone else.

So don't feel bad this dude got a chick you moreso deserve because of your hard work.

She only selected this guy because she views him as an AFC loser that she is trying to hurt her ex with by dating.

She's in reality a bigger AFC than your friend but society will never call her out for this patheticness because she's hot.
 

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I think there's something emotionally or mentally wrong with that girl right now. She's 18 and she's dating a 15 year old?! I mean that's just plain weird. Is she a loser or something because that's the only conclusion I can come to? Maybe you think she's hot but she really isn't. Remember that sometimes ugly girls don't like this DJ stuff because they don't get it. So an AFC can pull an ug any time he wants to. If you want a ugly girl I wouldn't lay on C&F or other methods too thick.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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ezily said:
I think there's something emotionally or mentally wrong with that girl right now. She's 18 and she's dating a 15 year old?! I mean that's just plain weird. Is she a loser or something because that's the only conclusion I can come to? Maybe you think she's hot but she really isn't. Remember that sometimes ugly girls don't like this DJ stuff because they don't get it. So an AFC can pull an ug any time he wants to. If you want a ugly girl I wouldn't lay on C&F or other methods too thick.
You'd be surprised. Half of the 18/19 yo of my social circle are dating 15yo; this rejecting awesome guys their age, with tons of stuff going down for them. Two of my closest friends have been owned by kids. I don't understand this either. I bet you can imagine how most guys feel, being rejected because of kids who don't even shave. :down: Damn weird trend.

And mind you, this girls are the ones everyone drools after. Oh, and the not-so-good girls are also dating younger guys.

Either older guys becoming major wimps, or girls are just way too... uncomprehensible?
 

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The reason these 18 year old hotties are going for 15 year old kiddies is quite simple.

The 18 year old hottie knows that a guy her age is more likely to be on her level and see through her little games.

In other words he is going to expect sex or there will be no relationship.

He's also not going to be her emotional tamp0n.

A 15 year old guy on the other hand might be so desperate for a girlfriend and see that this chick that seems to be interested in him is hot so he will say yes to being her boyfriend no second thoughts about it and he thinks he's getting a good deal here and that she'll eventually give it up to him ie the sex if he supplicates to her and fulfills all his emotional tamp0n functions and caters to her attention needs.

The girl is getting the better end of the bargain out of this.

She gets the status of having a boyfriend which sends the message that she is desired and wanted by males and her social circle will regard her highly.

And she also gets all of her emotional needs fulfilled without having to do the messy work of fulfilling the poor manipulated lovestruck boy's sexual needs.

She wins, he loses.

The 18 year old guys meanwhile wonder what the 15 year old guy's secret is and they mistakenly think she must of chose him because he's a huge pimp or that the girl is just fvcked in the head.

The 15 year old in fact is no huge pimp and the chick is not fvcked in the head...well not mentally ill anyway...but rather this decision by her to take on a 15 year old suitor is merely a cleverly calculated move to give her maximum benefit with minimal output.

When girls like this want to get fvcked and have a real relationship they'll go find a DJ.

However when they are in attention seeking and ego validation mode with no desire to give up the pvssy its AFC hunting season for them.
 

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Great explanation, KontrollerX. Definitely, a damn, damn good insight into this. Thanks!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Heh heh SilverSonnet would probably be the exception to the rule of what I said with my post.

In that he would be the pimp most 15 year olds wouldn't be to have a hottie on his arm. :D
 

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KontrollerX said:
When girls like this want to get fvcked and have a real relationship they'll go find a DJ

However when they are in attention seeking and ego validation mode with no desire to give up the pvssy its AFC hunting season for them.

She gets the status of having a boyfriend which sends the message that she is desired and wanted by males and her social circle will regard her highly.

And she also gets all of her emotional needs fulfilled without having to do the messy work of fulfilling the poor manipulated lovestruck boy's sexual needs.

All they wanted was someone to lick their wounds and give them ego validation until they were emotionally repaired enough to go after someone else.

She wins, he loses.
This right here should probably be on the cover of the DJ Bible. It should be written on a piece of paper and taped to the first mirror every newbie looks at in the morning.
 

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Heh heh SilverSonnet would probably be the exception to the rule of what I said with my post.

In that he would be the pimp most 15 year olds wouldn't be to have a hottie on his arm.
Lol, thanks Kontroller, but I'm planning not to get girls as of yet. ;) When I'm late 15's and then 16 is when I'm gonna start, but it doesn't mean I;m not gonna practice ;)
 

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SilverSonnet said:
Lol, thanks Kontroller, but I'm planning not to get girls as of yet. ;) When I'm late 15's and then 16 is when I'm gonna start, but it doesn't mean I;m not gonna practice ;)
You're blessed to know about all this at 14, man...
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Wouldn't you like to know? ;)
Dude, your ONLY 18! Dont act like your old and frail, none of us are. I'm young, immature, and think I know it all. We all bring in our own stories, views & experiences. We'll all bring our own tips and learning curves to the site. Some things will be relevant, some wont. we just gotta rifle through it, and find out which bits are worth saving, etc.

Good luck to all :)
 

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SilverSonnet said:
Dude, your ONLY 18! Dont act like your old and frail, none of us are. I'm young, immature, and think I know it all. We all bring in our own stories, views & experiences. We'll all bring our own tips and learning curves to the site. Some things will be relevant, some wont. we just gotta rifle through it, and find out which bits are worth saving, etc.

Good luck to all :)
Aha, nice, nice... You're definitely right, man. Keep it up!
 

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She's in reality a bigger AFC than your friend but society will never call her out for this patheticness because she's hot.
Good reminder. It's amazing how we actually ADMIRE women, just because they are HOT. As if that in itself was a freaking virtue. So backwards. You've got a site like this where some men learn all sorts of things with the attitude they will try to convince a woman that they are WORTHY of her, when the whole premise is out of whack. Sorry, being hot is not a virtue. The only reason these chicks get away with murder is there are armies of AFCs ready to sacrafice themselves if only for a smile from a pretty girl.

What's worse is the girl will do something absolutely horrible, devastate the guy, bring him to a point of no return, then she giggles and gives him that smile and the slate is wiped clean.

Using people, is wrong. But of course a woman would NEVER come out and actually SAY "hey I'm using you for ego validation because I need constant affirmation of my worth, and as soon as I get something better you are gone. Oh yeah don't touch me we are still getting to know each other" but a guy with class may say "look, I'm not after anything serious right now, let's just be casual and have fun."

Not sure where all that came from.
 

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KX I think you can substitute the 18 vs 15 year old for any age. That's the dynamic when a girl maintains the frame and the guy has no sense of self, no matter the age.
 

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KontrollerX said:
The 18 year old guys meanwhile wonder what the 15 year old guy's secret is and they mistakenly think she must of chose him because he's a huge pimp or that the girl is just fvcked in the head.

The 15 year old in fact is no huge pimp and the chick is not fvcked in the head...well not mentally ill anyway...but rather this decision by her to take on a 15 year old suitor is merely a cleverly calculated move to give her maximum benefit with minimal output.
This made me laugh but, its true...
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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