"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Advice Needed.. thanks

Trident

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Hey, I've lurked on the boards for awhile but haven't posted anything, I figure now is as good a time as any.

Basically I met this girl, it was going great. Great sex, gave her multiple orgasms which was a first for her, she was extremely into me. Fast forward 2 months into dating and she says she feels guilty and can only sleep with a boyfriend. I think it over and decide that fine ill bite the bullet and settle down.. but then she says she's not ready for a bf. So this confuses me, I wait it out a couple weeks expecting sex.. doesn't happen, in this time I get a little AFC (not to much though, just a little forceful) and I put a dent in her interest level. So I tell her we start hooking up again or its over. So we stop seeing each other. She works at a lounge that me and my friends go to often so I have to see her all the time, so I apologize and say we should still be friends. She seems really excited to see me whenever I see her at the lounge , and will send me texts being sweet one second and will be cold as hell and just stop responding at other times.

I don't have oneitits I have alot of other chicks on the go, I just want the upper hand on this because I have to see her about once a week when we go to the lounge and yes I would like to keep sleeping with her.. so how should I handle this.. yes it's kind of long sorry :p
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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TheSplat

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Simple solution. Go up to the lounge with another girl and completely ignore her
 

Allurre

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I'll keep this real short and sweet.

1. Next time you visit the lounge, don't pay much attention to her. Give her a smile once you catch eye contact with her, and look away. Get her a bit curious why you aren't behaving like yourself (where you may have given her more attention).

This time, have fun with your friends.

2. Leave the lounge.

3. Next time you're back, repeat the same as step #1. However, by the end of this night, text her (I got a surprise for you, come meet mere [location] after work)

4. It's up to you to build the bridge back to bed.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Kevin Feng

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I think technically you've won in the interaction. You got your cookies, and from what it sounds like, a decent amount of it. So props for that!

The most important thing right now for you to do is to maintain your value. If you can really express to her that you don't care and that you're okay with or without her, you've done the best you can.

If she works at a lounge work up the jealousy plotline. Hit on other girls and just be that really cool guy. Make her want you back.

If you're really interested in micromanging the situation, I would highly recommend reading "Art of Seduction", I've found it really useful in interactions aside from cold approach pick up.

-Kevin
 

Trident

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Thanks for the tips.. in the meantime when she sends texts or calls should I not respond or respond and feign being busy?
 
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