"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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ACK! voice mail and caller ID! what to do?

Francisco d'Anconia

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Originally posted by BangBus
Uh no

The whole purpose to get her on the phone is to ask her out on a date. Keep your convo to a minimum and save it for the date. I only use the phone to set the date. If i do convo her, it's 5 minutes max and i end the call before she does. If you dont ask her out on the phone - welcome to the friendship zone!
There is some truth to this. This is old school DJism which is still practical, however for me it works a bit differently.

The problem that I have with just calling to ask for a date is that I (personally) come off as a player. Women assume this because I will chit chat with d@mn near every woman I encounter during the day even if there is another woman with me.

The woman with me enjoys the fact that I'm engaging in that way but in the back of her mind she thinks that I'm like the other players she's met that only do that so they may get a chance to bed them. My process of just chit-chatting shows them that I have more things on my mind or maybe I'm not interested in them! :eek: (Can we say challenge??).

Now I don't chit chat with them for weeks at a time mind you, just before and after a weekend and only for a minute or two tops. You know that most AFC's ask for dates on either Friday or Saturday. H3ll, I'm busy on those days (sarging) so when I talk with them and don't ask them out, they are even more confused (fun, isn't it?).

When I do ask them out (either Monday or Tuesday) they are really surprised. "Is he interested in me or is this a friendly date?" Well, I'm not telling her, I'm going to play it by ear. Always keep them guessing.

Remember in a thread I posted a little while back about a current woman I'm seeing who was concerned about me being a player but could not read me easily? I just told her that if she could, I'd bore her. She liked that because after thinking about it for a moment she kissed me. This is why being a bit different helps if it works well with your particular personality.

Understand that I'm not saying that this method is what everyone should use, I'm just saying that it works well for me. I'm not denouncing the old school methods that are expound upon here, I used them successfully myself! My thing is that I'm evolving and creating my own Tau of DJism.

Try things out and use what works best for you!
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Oh no, not the "I was thinking about you" line!

it seems like every girl has this line MASTERED. I admit, it does go deep under your skin if you arent ready for it. "Oh wow, she was thinking about me, she must like me and care for me..oh wow!"


I myself use that line time to time..depending on situation.
I still remember pulling that on a girl who i told to get out of my place becuase she woudnt take off her pants.. that was sort of like last resort..but she did call back.

Just be careful with this, use it too much it loses meaning..and girls can get infatuated quick if you say it...


read this




http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44001&highlight=number
 

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Originally posted by Oxide
Oh no, not the "I was thinking about you" line!

it seems like every girl has this line MASTERED. I admit, it does go deep under your skin if you arent ready for it. "Oh wow, she was thinking about me, she must like me and care for me..oh wow!"

I said this in another thread, there isn't any reason men can not use on women the same ones that they use on us. Fair is fair, right?

But I agree, don't use it too often. I just use it as bait to pull them in when they have yet to realize that knowing me is to their best interest.... ;) It's an easy way to boost their interest level.
 

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as long as we are on conversation topic..

when a girl asks you, "what do you want to do?" there is absoultely NOTHING wrong with answering "You!" (assuming you have had sex with her before..if not it might scare her a bit).
 

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just call when you feel like it. who cares about 2 days, 3 days.. blah blah. I once got this number from a girl I met at a party... I didn't feel like calling her with the so called 3-5 day rule. I was really busy fixing my car and dealing with the start of my school semester. I called her on Wednesday night after getting her number 2 fridays prior (that's 12 days) - asked her out for drinks for thursday night (the next night, I KNOW I KNOW should've called her earlier and asked her on a weeknight) she said.. thurs night is not good for her but agreed to FRI night.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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Originally posted by DJ_Dork
just call when you feel like it. who cares about 2 days, 3 days.. blah blah. I once got this number from a girl I met at a party... I didn't feel like calling her with the so called 3-5 day rule. I was really busy fixing my car and dealing with the start of my school semester. I called her on Wednesday night after getting her number 2 fridays prior (that's 12 days) - asked her out for drinks for thursday night (the next night, I KNOW I KNOW should've called her earlier and asked her on a weeknight) she said.. thurs night is not good for her but agreed to FRI night.
See, when you aren't desperate you can break the rules and things still work out.
 

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Originally posted by JT47319
Well, first of all, the 5 to 9 day rule is seriously fucking you up.

How many times a day and how many times do you think a girl gives out her number between the time you met her and the time you called over a week later? That LAME rule is for SOCIAL CIRCLE SARGING ONLY (and even then is pretty ineffectual). I swear, I BARELY even REMEMBER what the girl looks like if I go on a Day2 date with her just three days later.

How the fuck do you think a hot girl is going to remember you over a week later?

And all hot girls screen their calls. Fact of life. Leave a message. You can leave it a very plain style or try to leave a hook or make it interesting ("OMG, you WON'T believe what happened after you left. Call me.")

Generally, I'll leave 2 voice messages and delete after 7 days if I haven't heard from them.

Im trying this one .... "OMG, you WONT believe what happened after you left.callme" ....
 

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dang francisco im kinda glad that they refered me your posts in this thread from my car pick up chick thread (http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86136 ) , i was gonna call her up tomorrow to, set up a date for this weekend, since i have called he and talk to her once, without asking for a date, but now ill wait a lil bit more, ill ask her on wed:D

But ishh, we both go to school and get up early in the moorning, and got hw to do...hmmm
 
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