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ACK! voice mail and caller ID! what to do?

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I have no problem getting girls #'s, even HB9's and 10's, and I observe the 5-9 day rule (with rare exceptions), but it's always a cellphone and 99% of the time I get the dreaded voice-mail. I know better than to leave a message (that would be so lame) but if I just hang up that's super lame - and I'm already on the caller ID (BUSTED!) if this is a new acquaintence I may leave a callback #, but that's it. if I make any further attempts I'm screwed. I just KNOW she'd take one look at the caller ID on her ringing cellphone and say," oh God that guy keeps calling - what a loser".

one could conceal his phone # with *67 but most chicks are onto that **** and won't pick up. So I bought a few phone cards. these will produce a false ID.

I may also I have the girl's email. should I be using this instead? If I am trying phone AND email is that like, way super lame AFC ****?

so the question is, how am I supposed to talk to a chick if she don't pick up?

how do you guys get around this ****?
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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If I call a girl and get voice mail I put on an accent and say...

"Hi (insert name) I am sorry to call at this short notice but this is (make up new name) calling from and on behalf of rent-a-car/phone-company/bank/delete where applicable about your (whatever) is overdue/over the limit and you need to call me back right away."

She will.

So laugh.

A lot.

And say "you've been punked!" like you're Ashton Kutcher (as in you could f*ck Demi Moore) when it comes to your charisma and humour power. Then arrange to meet up.

She will, if only to slap you.

Duck.

Then be even more charming.
 

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You are putting way too much energy into this challenge. This should tell you that getting phone numbers is just a small portion of the total game. Instead of worrying about what's the perfect message to leave or what's the perfect way to deal with the caller ID/cell phone messages, concentrate on creating very high interest even before you call.

No matter what, girls will always screen the first phone call. If there is enough interest in her part, she will call back, or make sure to pick up the next time. Don't worry about leaving a message; leave a message and don't make too much out of it. Believe me, by the time you call her, she's already judged you and knows how much interest she has in you.

Going out of your way to get phone cards already puts you in an "inferior mentality" category. You have to be deceptive and trick her into answering the phone she gave you the digits to? What you must do is STAND OUT from all the guys that ask her for her phone number, specially when you first get it.

If you are gonna see the particular hottie again, then don't even call her until you've seen her a few times. Don't mention the fact that you're gonna call her; let her ask/wonder why you haven't called. You got all kinds of action going on anyway, after all, so one girl's phone number is relly irrelevant at this point. You'll be surprised, a lot of times they're the ones who ask, "why haven't you called me?" or a similar type of question. At that point, when you call, she will remember you.

If you're not gonna see her again, you better make a very good impression and chances are a good percentage of those hotties will actually want to talk to you; I would make sure I got the e-mail also. Make sure you are the one pre-qualifiying her. Don't force it out of her or beg her for it. Ask her questions like:
"Is this a phone number you actually answer?" If she throws the "Why don't you give me your number" line at you, respond with something like "Oh, come on! Does that line still work with guys you talk to?" or "Don't play games and write down your number." Always be ready to walk away, you don't need to have her number. If she asks for you number instead, you can also tell her, "You know what? You don't need to give me your phone number." Reverse Psych. I've used that one myself several times, and they've turned and said "I guess I can give you my number." It is all a game. Learn how to play it and you will look forward to dealing with it.

Bottom line: since you probably won't see her again, it doesn't matter if you leave a message or not. Just leave your info and if you want, call her one more time a few days later. Next her if there is no response. Best bet is to make sure you have created enough interest. 5-9 day rule might not be such a good idea with the ones you haven't had a chance to build great rapport with, because it might just be enough time for them to forget about you. So make sure you either make an impression or call them within a few days.
 

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Well, first of all, the 5 to 9 day rule is seriously fucking you up.

How many times a day and how many times do you think a girl gives out her number between the time you met her and the time you called over a week later? That LAME rule is for SOCIAL CIRCLE SARGING ONLY (and even then is pretty ineffectual). I swear, I BARELY even REMEMBER what the girl looks like if I go on a Day2 date with her just three days later.

How the fuck do you think a hot girl is going to remember you over a week later?

And all hot girls screen their calls. Fact of life. Leave a message. You can leave it a very plain style or try to leave a hook or make it interesting ("OMG, you WON'T believe what happened after you left. Call me.")

Generally, I'll leave 2 voice messages and delete after 7 days if I haven't heard from them.
 

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I agree; that 5-9 rule is dumb. Most "rules" are dumb. Just as long as you don't call the same day and hence look desperate, I don't see how it could cause a problem when you call or if you leave a message.

If a girl rules you out based on a message, her IL is too low to begin with and you're wasting your time.

And JT is right...you can't expect her to remember you after a week, and any IL she had will have dropped completely by then (not increased as some people might think).
 

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Again, getting numbers is just a mean, it's NOT the goal.

I never get the number just so I can get the number, but it's more like I see there's a shot AND I will go for the number. Having no problem getting numbers doesn't say much about their interest level or your "game", and maybe that's why you always get the voice-mail.
:rolleyes:
 

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I swear, leaving a message on her VM is gold in finding out her IL.

A. If she calls back, she has some interest.

B. If she doesn't call you back, she's an inconsiderate attention wh0re flake, who doesn't deserve your time. Toss her number out and forget about her.
 

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Originally posted by tristan22
I swear, leaving a message on her VM is gold in finding out her IL.

A. If she calls back, she has some interest.

It's just that simple. DJs should not be afraid to leave a message. D@mn, just call and say "Hey, I was just thinking about you and thought I'd call, talk to you later." *click*

You've just accomplished three things
1. Established that you are truly interested in her and did not just want her number for some type of AFC trophy.

2. You've piqued her interest by telling her that you were thinking about her but NOT telling her exactly about what.

3. Showed her that you are thoughtful (yeah right) and that you don't call her only when you want to go out or to see her. That will set you off as being different from AFCs.

Come on fellas, you don't need to make it harder than it needs to be.
 

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Franciso knows what he is doing. Pay attention and learn much.

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Fransisco, you are Da Man. I'm gonna try that. it makes perfect sense. Hanging up on the voice-mail is a cop-out. a DJ does not do this.

btw, if I do call and get her in person, perhaps it is best to maybe just chat and be nice and end the convo w/OUT asking her out. Do this a few times and I'll bet she's gonna wonder what's going on...... that would set me apart from other lame-azz guys, yes?
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Uh no

The whole purpose to get her on the phone is to ask her out on a date. Keep your convo to a minimum and save it for the date. I only use the phone to set the date. If i do convo her, it's 5 minutes max and i end the call before she does. If you dont ask her out on the phone - welcome to the friendship zone!
 

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Well of course a DJ should always shoot for a quick phone convo. But that is not always going to happen and having tried both I get better results when I leave the message as oppossed to just hanging up. If they don't call back then they can spend the night all alone, because I sure won't.

-Grey Fox
 

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JT is on the money.

Oh, sometimes I DO call the same day. Depends on the interaction. When I meet them I'll say, "I'm going to call you tonight before I go to sleep." Or tell them I'll do it the next day before I go to sleep. Credit Mystery. Works like a beautiful butterfly.
 

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if she doesn't pick up, then can it. It's really a waste of time. Burn the number before you actually know it by memory. You say they have Caller ID right? Well, if she really wants to talk to you, she'll call you. If she doesn't, she'll continue what she's doing now: not picking up. But it's a good thing if you burn the number, she won't have to think you're annoying and you'd be saving urself some valuable time.
 

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ok I'm getting some mixed messages here...... I'm familiar with bangbus' assertion that the sole purpose of a telephone is to acquire a date (and the woman's purpose of same is to screen them out) however if I am in a shaky situation, losing a game of phone tag, I may be able to gain a few IL points if I do what is NOT expected, break the formula, just to keep her guessing and hook her curiosity.

your thoughts?

for what it's worth, there's a girl I am trying this "theory " out on. we've been in touch for a few months. she's model hot, very bright, but can't get a BF...... (dumped her last one on account of him being too nice....poor guy....) I call her once in a while, no rush. jerking her around seems to be working to my advantage. She almost always picks up her phone.
 

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My theory is for you to grow some balls and call and leave a message. If it doesn't pan out it doesn't pan out.

-Grey Fox
 

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I also agree with JT and Dirtheat, 5-9 days is ridiculous. Even the classic "3 day rule" isn't something I follow. Do you really think she will become more interested in you if you wait an extra day to call? I always call a girl the next day if I can. If I forget or whatever, it doesn't really matter that much, but I definitely don't think if you wait three days she'll be waiting in anticipation by the phone when she has 18 guys a day hitting on her.

-Dan
 

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NOPE.......I wait 3 days to call. Calling her the next day is oh so AFC!!! It shows her you have no life. 99.9999999% of the time a women SCREENS your first call..................ALWAYS!!The purpose is to seduce her and have her pursue you. Making her wait a few days shows her you have other options (women) and women love competition. Your showing her she is not that important to you, and she will try and prove she is to you. Women always want what they cant have. If a women notices you call her the next day, she will know its so easy to manipulate you, and that you have no life. There is no MYSTERY in that whatsoever. Waiting 3 days is a mystery cuz you can dam well bet, she be wondering why you havent called and what your up too. Called keeping her on her toes. Being unpredictible.But you can be totally AFC and call her the next day like every other guy does. She has to be worthy of your time and your time is valuable. To call her the next day is putting on her on a pedestal which she doesnt even deserve to begin with

BUT you must make that first impression your best or it doesnt work
 

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IMO Gansgter is on it here. From experience there is nothing better than getting a number and NOT calling, then seeing the chick again & being just as charming and ****y. The second (and each) time you meet, there is already a growing rapport, and growing intrigue. You wont have to follow dumb rules to force it.

This is all where the old-fashioned (hence very "un-DJ") idea of "persistence" comes into play. Playing it smooth and playing it slow.
 

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Originally posted by ogre
Fransisco, you are Da Man. I'm gonna try that. it makes perfect sense. Hanging up on the voice-mail is a cop-out. a DJ does not do this.

btw, if I do call and get her in person, perhaps it is best to maybe just chat and be nice and end the convo w/OUT asking her out. Do this a few times and I'll bet she's gonna wonder what's going on...... that would set me apart from other lame-azz guys, yes?
You are completely right! Did I mention that this is really easy????
 
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