d0g
Don Juan
Gentlemen,
TLDR: Go to the end for a one-paragraph summary.
I have had an interesting situation arise. I recently managed to rather smoothly get a girl into bed with me, and she happily let me take off her top and bra, but was very insistent about keeping her jeans on.
I tried the recommended SoSuave techniques for overcoming this resistance, especially going back to kissing, fondling her tits, etc., before trying her pants again (especially while she's all hot and bothered). I'd get them unbuttoned, and maybe even down enough to expose her p*ssy, but she'd sigh, give me that, "Really, you're trying again? This is not going to happen." look, and pull her jeans back up. I even attempted some minor freeze-out, by pretending to be tired and bored of this game, and just lying down for a bit.
The very next day, I got her into bed again, and she claimed she felt like she was "being manipulated", i.e. that I was just trying to get into her pants, and that my occasional compliments and general treatment of her were all just a ruse.
I was so taken back by this that I screwed up big-time. I'm still largely an AFC, and have never been accused of manipulating a girl before. Moreover, I'm still in the frame of mind where "manipulation" is a bad thing. So I made a mistake: I told her that nothing could be further from the truth, and that I wouldn't know how to manipulate a girl even if I tried.
This was definitely the wrong answer. This answer lead to a line of discussion that resulted in her finding out how inexperienced I am, and so her interest-level plummeted, and she went from interpreting me as a too-smooth-manipulator-bad-boy to a regular nice-guy-AFC.
So, SoSuave, what is the correct way to deal with this situation?
Summary: in bed, a girl is putting up LMR about you getting her pants off and tells you she feels "manipulated". For the record, I don't think this was an explicit ****-test (i.e. she did genuinely feel manipulated, and didn't just make that up so she could issue a test). How do you respond? What can you say to this to at least forget her qualms for the moment? Is ****-funny the right way to go? Surely not agree-and-amplify, if this is a genuine claim from her, and not just a made-up complaint for the purpose of **** testing?
(Also: I am *not* asking about how to avoid being accused of manipulation in the first place. I think she made this claim because she's known me from before I started learning from SoSuave, so probably the incongruity in my actions caused this problem. Another thing I need to do is move through the kino ladder more systematically, because at the moment I'm skipping steps if I feel like I can, and that's probably causing the girl to not be sufficiently "warmed up".)
Later,
d0g
TLDR: Go to the end for a one-paragraph summary.
I have had an interesting situation arise. I recently managed to rather smoothly get a girl into bed with me, and she happily let me take off her top and bra, but was very insistent about keeping her jeans on.
I tried the recommended SoSuave techniques for overcoming this resistance, especially going back to kissing, fondling her tits, etc., before trying her pants again (especially while she's all hot and bothered). I'd get them unbuttoned, and maybe even down enough to expose her p*ssy, but she'd sigh, give me that, "Really, you're trying again? This is not going to happen." look, and pull her jeans back up. I even attempted some minor freeze-out, by pretending to be tired and bored of this game, and just lying down for a bit.
The very next day, I got her into bed again, and she claimed she felt like she was "being manipulated", i.e. that I was just trying to get into her pants, and that my occasional compliments and general treatment of her were all just a ruse.
I was so taken back by this that I screwed up big-time. I'm still largely an AFC, and have never been accused of manipulating a girl before. Moreover, I'm still in the frame of mind where "manipulation" is a bad thing. So I made a mistake: I told her that nothing could be further from the truth, and that I wouldn't know how to manipulate a girl even if I tried.
This was definitely the wrong answer. This answer lead to a line of discussion that resulted in her finding out how inexperienced I am, and so her interest-level plummeted, and she went from interpreting me as a too-smooth-manipulator-bad-boy to a regular nice-guy-AFC.
So, SoSuave, what is the correct way to deal with this situation?
Summary: in bed, a girl is putting up LMR about you getting her pants off and tells you she feels "manipulated". For the record, I don't think this was an explicit ****-test (i.e. she did genuinely feel manipulated, and didn't just make that up so she could issue a test). How do you respond? What can you say to this to at least forget her qualms for the moment? Is ****-funny the right way to go? Surely not agree-and-amplify, if this is a genuine claim from her, and not just a made-up complaint for the purpose of **** testing?
(Also: I am *not* asking about how to avoid being accused of manipulation in the first place. I think she made this claim because she's known me from before I started learning from SoSuave, so probably the incongruity in my actions caused this problem. Another thing I need to do is move through the kino ladder more systematically, because at the moment I'm skipping steps if I feel like I can, and that's probably causing the girl to not be sufficiently "warmed up".)
Later,
d0g