About pickup artists

[snowdog]

I'm a reader. I really love to read books. I'm currently reading this one. It's about a guy who gets in contact with all the famous pickup artists and eventually becomes the biggest one. (It's a fun and interesting read. Check it out).

As i was reading, something constantly bothered me. Sure, these guys get laid all the time and their routines work. They use the same stories and tactics over and over like they're playing a CD.

Really, i want to get better at getting numbers from chicks and get laid. But i want to do that while being ME. I don't want to run the same routines over and over although it's been proven that stuff does work. Actually, i'd rather do it my way and be less succesful then when i would when i run these scripts.

Or am i being weird here?

 

[tsmith2334]

I agree with you 100%. I think there is value in alot of the techniques, especially ones involving self-development, but it sucks having to put on a show all the time and to abide by certain laws if you want to have any chance with decent women. They truly are in control.

Perfect example of this, the old SoSuave.com tip "Why Just Being Yourself Doesn't Work"... I know it doesn't work, but it should.

 

[snowdog]

So you're saying i should just swallow the pill and just go do these routines?

 

[tsmith2334]

So you're saying i should just swallow the pill and just go do these routines?

No. Not to the tee anyway. Do invest time in developing yourself and your character. Read over the pointers and employ the ones you like. Stuff like eye contact and kino is important and time-tested. So work on that, even though you won't be perfect at first. But you don't need to follow every routine. Plenty of guys are getting laid all the time, and have never even heard of this place nor do they follow a specific routine.

Whatever you do, just make sure it isn't comprimising your integrity, because a girl will see through that eventually (or you'll just get tired of it).

 

[snowdog]

No. Not to the tee anyway. Do invest time in developing yourself and your character. Read over the pointers and employ the ones you like. Stuff like eye contact and kino is important and time-tested. So work on that, even though you won't be perfect at first. But you don't need to follow every routine. Plenty of guys are getting laid all the time, and have never even heard of this place nor do they follow a specific routine.

Whatever you do, just make sure it isn't comprimising your integrity, because a girl will see through that eventually (or you'll just get tired of it).

Yea, i see what yo mean. I'm working on just that actually. Check the link in my signature.

 

[LeComteDeMonteCristo]

So who says you have to use routines? It amazes me how people make such a song and dance about all this. Men have been getting laid for thousands of years without the need for such routines. It's not about what you say, it's about how you say it. Project a dominant, confident vibe and come across as a sex worthy guy and that's all you need.

 

[snowdog]

I know... but reading that book kinda puzzled me for a bit.

 

[potato]

Actually some of us have been very successful with women and have never used the techniques, attitudes, or antics of pick-up artists. One thing that they don’t mention in pick-up books, videos, and web sites is that many, perhaps most women don’t fall for pick-up artists as claimed. They only illustrate their successful and scripted pick-ups.

 

[redspicyflag]

those routines are training wheelsss

 

[everywomanshero]

There are so many ways to get laid on a regular basis it isn't even funny. Here's justa handful of examples, I'll try to use people you can lookup online for a handy reference. Bare in mind I have not actually met most of these people.

Brent: He seems to go for the classy guy approach. Dress well, seem like a cool guy, and the rest is history. I'm sure everyone on the forum knows a local guy who just knows how to carry himself and the women pretty much chase him, no techniques other than how to pick which ones to fvck.
This isn't a bad approach, although it might be harder to pull off for some guys than it seems.

Elvis Preston: This guy has been verified as fvcking 1-3 different women almost everyday of the week despite being old and not having running water. He uses geography game., picking up third world chicks in Dominica. I really can't say I could recommend this approach, I'd prefer to live somewhere with running water and a lower HIV rate personally

Mystery Clones: Although 90% of these guys just seem to get weirder and rarely get laid, IME, I have met a very few that can consistently pull this off. I've actually witnessed the techniques working beautifully as described, but again this just isn't for everyone nor do I think it's nessacary. Also there is no way of knowing what their success would have been had they put the effort into pioneering their own approach.

Actually trying: The one approach that seems to be most valuable is to try a lot of different places, women, and have fun with this. This way you can work out your own favorite approach and do what makes you happy.

 

[SharinganUser]

Fuk techniques. Just find a place that you like, has lots of women and where you are rare, oh and stop worrying about women(that is not a dominate trait). The only "technique" you need is how to say hello. Potato dude said it perfectly.

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

Think like this .

.. right now ur baby .. and u need someone to hold you not to fall , cuz you still cant walk . while someones holding you youlll start to walk .

This someone are routines .. First u have to be perfect at this to start doing ur own things .. They all say FAKE IT TILL U MAKE IT

Peace

 

[Obsidian]

The Great One says you should be yourself.

 

[jookins]

Have you guys actually done a lot of approaches? It really helps if you have your own canned openers to use. You dont have to use ones that other people made up but you can make up your own. This way you always have something to open with, always. Any story that you repeat more than once is considered a routine, so if you tell the same story to all your friends thats a routine. Theres nothing wrong with it. Maybe if you make up stories that dont apply to you then yeah, that could be a problem.

 

[snowdog]

You sound like you'd be far more interested in natural game. Go read Juggler's stuff, it's far more about conversation and having fun with chatting to women.

You have a link to stuff "Juggler" wrote?

 

[Gangster Of Love]

I'm a reader. I really love to read books. I'm currently reading this one. It's about a guy who gets in contact with all the famous pickup artists and eventually becomes the biggest one. (It's a fun and interesting read. Check it out).

As i was reading, something constantly bothered me. Sure, these guys get laid all the time and their routines work. They use the same stories and tactics over and over like they're playing a CD.

Really, i want to get better at getting numbers from chicks and get laid. But i want to do that while being ME. I don't want to run the same routines over and over although it's been proven that stuff does work. Actually, i'd rather do it my way and be less succesful then when i would when i run these scripts.

Or am i being weird here?

You are already less successful doing it your way and being "You".

 

[StoneColdFox]

1) Finish the book you're reading. It'll clear up how you feel.. That book is also responsible to why some posters are here. Pretty well known.

2) There is no "way" to get a girl.. yet there are characteristics that you can express that any one will find attractive..

Confidence.
A challenge.
A playful nature.
Good conversational skills.
Confidence.

These qualities are always attractive no matter what.

To anyone.

You need to incorporate those qualities into your personality to help build attraction..

And sure there are cute little things you can say to be smooth that if delivered correctly can be playful and fun, but.. if you use those same lines over and over..and for me on a college campus, it becomes fatal and..you become some what of a social robot and.. may get a reputation of a not only a player.. but worse.. A BAD ONE lol.

It's not about using a technique or anything, its about incorporating those qualities into you..

Every girl likes confidence, it shows stability.. it shows that you are your own person.

Every girl likes playfulness because it shows even though you can be serious you can be witty..

Girls love intelligence, that combined with the playfulness and wit.. Amazing.

See, it's not about using the lines.. its about using what makes the lines work.

-THESCF

 

[potato]

As i was reading, something constantly bothered me. Sure, these guys get laid all the time and their routines work. They use the same stories and tactics over and over like they're playing a CD.

Really, i want to get better at getting numbers from chicks and get laid. But i want to do that while being ME. I don't want to run the same routines over and over although it's been proven that stuff does work. Actually, i'd rather do it my way and be less succesful then when i would when i run these scripts.

Or am i being weird here?

In the book The Game Neil Strauss writes, “Perhaps it was really shared emotion and experience that create relationships, not seven hours of routines followed by two hours of sex.”

It seems to me that the conclusion of the book is that PUA’s tend to be immature losers. Also that PUA’s tend to feed off of a rather small group of women – those who tend to drink a lot and are willing to sleep with a lot of guys.

The popular wisdom in the so-called seduction community is that one is either an AFC or a PUA. In real life a good honest man with adequate social skills will have no problem having women in his life – and without having to stoop to the antics of a PUA.

 

[I.A.F.Y.B.]

Yes, all these routines do work. But, not for everybody. It's best to have all this knowledge and put it into your own game. That way you are still being you with the knowledge to attract women.

 

[young_gun]

In the book The Game Neil Strauss writes, “Perhaps it was really shared emotion and experience that create relationships, not seven hours of routines followed by two hours of sex.”

It seems to me that the conclusion of the book is that PUA’s tend to be immature losers. Also that PUA’s tend to feed off of a rather small group of women – those who tend to drink a lot and are willing to sleep with a lot of guys.

The popular wisdom in the so-called seduction community is that one is either an AFC or a PUA. In real life a good honest man with adequate social skills will have no problem having women in his life – and without having to stoop to the antics of a PUA.

Great post potato. I completely agree with everything you've said.

To expand on the last paragraph of potato's post, I don't think that you can necessarily label yourself as either an AFC or a PUA, I think it's more along the lines of whether you're comfortable with, and have high esteem for yourself, and you understand women - or you don't. This community has completely changed me. I would have never understood why women act the way they do unless I started coming here.

However, that being said, I think it's OK for you to have a few "routines" to use when you're just starting out so that you have some default things to say to women. In time, though, you should rely on them less and less as you build your social skills up. You'll probably find, like most do, that having a freestyle approach to talking to women is MUCH more rewarding than spouting off lines that you've rehearsed in your bedroom every night (once you've gotten your social skills to a good point).