About Being "Persistent"

[Walking Anomaly]

Originally posted by verysuave
it still boils down to you not having options if you keep chasing women.

It will be irrelevant whatever you say against the point im trying to make

No it doesnt. period. Just because you say something in bold large font doesnt make it true.

I understand what youre trying to say. But because you pursue one particular girl doesnt mean you have no options. If all youre looking for is quick lays, then yes by all means spin plates and talk to as many as you can.

If youre more the type to get into LTRs, jus because a girl flakes once doesnt mean shes not interested. You have to use your own judgement, but to say she definitely isnt interested as you are saying is false. You wont get women that way.

Women like to be chased, but by cool confident guys, not needy bytches...trust me ive pulled quite a few - if you're persistant and cool she wont mind, she'll like the idea that you choose her over other girls that she should know you could have if you wanted. But instead youre choosing her.

To me a DJ isnt about getting lays by playing odds...for whatever # of rejections you'll get a # of lays. Its about being cool and being able to relax others with your coolness...being the dude everyone else wants to be around and chill with.

Thats the bottom line...

Originally posted by verysuave
I HAVE options because I like them = I REALLY LIKE THOSE OPTIONS THAT I HAVE = THAT IS WHY I HAVE THEMMMMMM!!!

Wrong. Not if you're trying to just get laid, its common knowledge that you dont have to like the chick to get her in bed, she could just be hot. That kind of girl is an option.
A girl you like is usually a girl who you shouldnt be looking for just as a quick lay. Absolutely yes, you SHOULD make it known that youre sexually interested, so that you arent LJBF'd - but the lay isnt the end all be all of this type of girl. Thats potential LTR material.

Originally posted by verysuave
Let me ask you this (im gona make it bold so you see it and read it and not blab about random crap)
WHY ARE YOU ON THIS ON SOSUAVE BOARD? BECAUSE YOU WANT TO IMPROVE YOUR GAME AND GET LAID

No this board is not just about getting laid...thats a perk. The board is to guide you to self improvement, to become the best you can be. To give you principles and morals...integrity to make you a DJ. Women will come along with that.

~WA

 

[DJnoob]

No it doesnt. period. Just because you say something in bold large font doesnt make it true.

I understand what youre trying to say. But because you pursue one particular girl doesnt mean you have no options. If all youre looking for is quick lays, then yes by all means spin plates and talk to as many as you can.

If youre more the type to get into LTRs, jus because a girl flakes once doesnt mean shes not interested. You have to use your own judgement, but to say she definitely isnt interested as you are saying is false. You wont get women that way.

Women like to be chased, but by cool confident guys, not needy bytches...trust me ive pulled quite a few - if you're persistant and cool she wont mind, she'll like the idea that you choose her over other girls that she should know you could have if you wanted. But instead youre choosing her.

To me a DJ isnt about getting lays by playing odds...for whatever # of rejections you'll get a # of lays. Its about being cool and being able to relax others with your coolness...being the dude everyone else wants to be around and chill with.

Thats the bottom line...



Wrong. Not if you're trying to just get laid, its common knowledge that you dont have to like the chick to get her in bed, she could just be hot. That kind of girl is an option.
A girl you like is usually a girl who you shouldnt be looking for just as a quick lay. Absolutely yes, you SHOULD make it known that youre sexually interested, so that you arent LJBF'd - but the lay isnt the end all be all of this type of girl. Thats potential LTR material.




No this board is not just about getting laid...thats a perk. The board is to guide you to self improvement, to become the best you can be. To give you principles and morals...integrity to make you a DJ. Women will come along with that.

~WA

lol.. this board to give you morals, etc etc all that sh1t leads to fame, money, self improvement = sex

out of all the places to look for "self improvement" you landed on this board?

Ask yourself, why improve yourself? why work out? why loose weight? why make more money?

1. reason why you work out = make yourself feel better > have confidence > look good > sex

2. reason for self improvement .. improve what? circle of friends? (so out of all the message boards on the internet, you ended up here on this site for advice on making friends?) sosuave.net my friend is about dating, about women, about getting laid = sex

3. why make more money ? move out, have your own place > invite women over > drive nice car, > live a better lifestyle > sex

4. why improve your personality? for others to like you ofcourse which then leads to sex

5. why improve your nervousness around women? > so you can talk to them without being all nervous like lukeskywalker > and talk women into having
(drum roll please) > sex

All this self improvement bullsh1t all equate to sex. WHether you like sex or not, but its all SEX. I know you hate sex, but thats the truth unless you're some freak

Now, if you want to be a priest, temple monk all about self enlightenment, then you are on the wrong board

you're just another hypocrite if you don't believe that sex is NOT the end game of most of the discussions here. SUre there might be a thread or 3 about what you should do if a loved one died if you're going to be a smarty a55 little kid about your answer.

 

[DJnoob]

The board is to guide you to self improvement, to become the best you can be. To give you principles and morals...integrity to make you a DJ. Women will come along with that.

~WA

Why improve yourself then? to give you principles and morals? for what and why? ill keep beating with whys until you realize that sex is the end game u monk

 

[Walking Anomaly]

Pretty much all those numbers you made can have ">sex" cut off at the end and just be for yourself. After all, who do you look out for most? number one i hope.

Everyone comes here at the beginning to figure out how to get quick lays, but at some point later perhaps you'll want more than just a lay, as i do. Depends on the person. You may prefer to bang out as many broads as you can, maybe getting an STD or two in the process. I prefer to go from one LTR to another. Quality over quantity my friend.

I come here primarily to help others and ocassionally ask the board for advice.

And Why not improve yourself DJnoob?

If you never do anything to improve yourself youll never get anywhere with anything, let alone women.

i improve myself for me...Im looking out for number one. I dont want money or fame or anything of that sort just to get girls as you do, its that simple.

Why cant i, for instance, improve my lifestyle and education to get lots of money to buy a Ferrari or other fancy car for myself? Because i may be a car enthusiast. Doesnt mean i bought the car solely to attract women although it may do just that.

Buying stuff for the sole purpose of attracting women is called supplication. Do a search on it.

And who said anything about hating sex lol ... its aight bro you dont have to keep trying to convince me youre cool and your way is right. There is no one right way.

But regardless, you have your opinion and i have mine, thats the way it is. Instead of being a closed minded mental midget, why not be open to other stuff.

~WA

 

[DJnoob]

go find a temple nearby, you have a seat reserved there

when people tell u things u dont LIKE hearing.. like the truth, you don't need to call them names such as MIDGET

who do I and or people look out for you ask? themselves is numero UNO then everything else comes after.

If you say NO to that ^ what i just above... then you really need to hit up that temple soon so u can be enlightened

 

[Walking Anomaly]

i didnt say no to it lol. I said that people should and do look out for #1 if you read correctly. Also, who said i didnt like what he said? I offered my counter-point, which is how this whole silly argument started...Ill state what my counterpoint is again below.

But please, flame me some more for my "enlightened views"...thats a compliment lol.

Anyway, this crappy argument has gone on long enough. No one will win.

Bottom line you dont have to pull out if a chick youre interested in flakes on one occasion and doesnt offer another occasion to meet. Show it doesnt bother you, get her more comfortable in groups before hanging with her alone and then try again. If anything pulling out after only 1 try will send the message that her flaking offended you, which if you had so many options it shouldnt

Im pretty sure thats how this thread started. Now its time to end it.

Peace

~WA

 

[DonGorgon]

persistence only works if she already likes you...

 

[verysuave]

persistence only works if she already likes you...

there, he summed it up in like one sentence =). Why didnt you say this earlier, jeez

 

[verysuave]

oh wait, but, you said she has to "LIKE YOU", which means, she has to SHOW IT

 

[MisterMcGee]

Girls can be quite the headcase.
I was into a girl and never really showed her much attention at all, didn't talk about generic friendly stuff with her, and so forth. I asked her out, and she gave me the runaround for a while and eventually got kinda nervous and said "is it okay if we stay like how we are?"
Of course I smiled and didn't answer and I started talking to someone else. I didn't care too much.

I recently saw her and I was the same toward her as I always am, but apparently to her I was acting differently. A colleague said to me, when she was nearby, "hey Mcgee, SoMeOnE wants to know why you aren't talking to them. haha" and then the HB got embarrassed and walked away. The colleague said "haha just kidding" to me and I was like what? and walked away.

It's silly drama crap, and some guys may think to themselves "omg maybe she DOES like me!" and will try to pursue her again. This isn't being persistent, it's being dumb. Of course I'm not sure what's going through this HB's head, but IT DOESN'T CONCERN ME AND DOESN'T AFFECT ME unless I get something out of it. What I mean is, unless she's going to show me that she likes me, then I have better things to do. Of course, if I really liked this girl, then I may try to get closure (which would end badly but that's not the point).

The best thing to do is just move on and do stuff with other girls, and maybe she'll feel compelled to make her feelings, if she has any, more clear to you.

 

[Raikojo17]

it all boils down to that you having zero options. If you had other hot b1tches, you really wouldnt care

but ofcourse, some of you wouldn't know that feeling and may never have experienced it.

Luke is your sign a virgo still?

Would a billionare want free coupons? would it be worth his time to drive down to the nearest grocery store so he can save $.10. (its a metaphor for those who didnt get it or now just got it)

don't bash luke. he's right you know

on a side note, billionaires aren't born (not often), but made
how do you think they became that way? by saving money and Persisting in wise money handling methods
so yes, a billionaire would more than likely look for ways to save money. even small amounts

likewise, guys who get alot of poon get rejected tons, but they never quit. even if a girl is unresponsive at first, don't just give up because you want to save your ego and you're a big player with "other" options. that's just a ball flexing move. like Luke said, you have options always, whether or not you are stringing 7 chicks along or not. you don't HAVE to talk to a girl you know. you don't even have to bother with them.

So in summary, who cares if a girl doesn't show insane amounts of interests at the get go. be persistent (with in reason of course) in a cool confident way

persistence doesn't mean calling her ten times a day, obsessing over her, stalking her, or being dumb, or falling for games, but it means not letting your ego get in the way. be cool, confident, and don't let every thing she does affect you.. a flaky chick does not mean not interested.

I'm a firm believer in the Gunwitch way

"make the ho say no"

don't just let her get away with avoiding you or being flaky

make her verbally say that she does not like you

 

[MisterMcGee]

Wonder if you'd consider a nervous "ljbf" as a verbal "no"
chew on that

 

[Raikojo17]

Wonder if you'd consider a nervous "ljbf" as a verbal "no"
chew on that

depends

you should learn to use your own judgment on things like this. you, knowing the background and situation better than anyone else, would have more knowledge in order to make a better choice. better than random guys on the internet telling you

you should not follow the DJ bible blindly, but learn to use it in order to form your on game,judgment, and experiences

that being said, me personally would not take that as an outright "no", because from personal experience, i have had that happen, and here i sit with the girl who said that too me today. boyfriend and girlfriend

 

[EastWind]

It amazes me that people who claim to know better think only women can be "other options". Of course it's easier to let go of one girl if you have others lined up, but that a) gives you a throw-away mentality and b) doesn't actually make you more independent. A life full of interesting things is a much better "other option".

 

[verysuave]

again sticking back to the main subject

About Being "Persistent"
some guys here say "you need to be persistent"

So u call chick up, she flakes but doesnt give you alternative date or doesnt reschudle

DO NOT BE PERSISTENT. Give it up.

WHen to be persistent?
Only when she tells you of counter offers.

Other than that, it mean's you're a desperate chump to her

 

[fertileTurtle]

that was ALREADY the point i was trying to make, if she didnt say NO AND DID counter offer, then keep chasing otherwise STOP

Sometimes.. i notice on this board, people don't thoroughly read posts, thye jsut jummp imto cnclusions and strt typng theiyr own sheit whcich and blab bout sheit that deosnt even ralate to teh fisrt post

Counter offer? Women always throw misdirection. That doesn't mean it's over, jimmysack.

 

[verysuave]

its not over when you don't have options

 

[verysuave]

Counter offer? Women always throw misdirection. That doesn't mean it's over, jimmysack.

misderection, well, thats her problem for not showing enough interest back. And that's why u have to have options to not even CARE about her dumb "misderections" for having no game on her side.

Yeah, its not over for those guys who have no options cause theyll just keep bugging this chick.

So, have options! and it will truly show you don't give a hoot when it comes to situations like this.

 

[fertileTurtle]

misderection, well, thats her problem for not showing enough interest back. And that's why u have to have options to not even CARE about her dumb "misderections" for having no game on her side.

Yeah, its not over for those guys who have no options cause theyll just keep bugging this chick.

So, have options! and it will truly show you don't give a hoot when it comes to situations like this.

That's probably right most of the time. If she's turning down a date over the phone or she isn't returning your calls, she probably will never be interested or is not enough to matter much.

Then there are those times where she has shown some interest and she maybe really has something that has come up that is in the way of things and it's stressing her out to the point that she comes across as more disinterested than she normally would be. And I agree that most of the time I probably wouldn't even waste my time with her, but sometimes she may be worth it to me to try a little more to see what is really going on.

I can think of a few times where something like this has happened to me and the girl really came through after all. The chick I dated like 3 years and almost married in my early 20s was like this. I watched her at school and for some reason she was the first girl I asked out that year, my gf had moved away over the summer. I saw something in her I liked (like my manstick) and asked for her number. I had very little inner game, all that I knew was from own experience and I had never even heard of dating advice or gurus or anything like that.

I was nervous when I asked and my voice cracked and she looked pissed that I was even bothering her. She was so hot that I couldn't stop myself thought. It was funny because I was really drawn in like some freak of nature circumstance. I called her and laid down some good game because I was really hot for her and wanted to fuk her really bad. We talked a long time and I think I asked her out like 5 times and she wanted to know where, and I didn't even have a car so I was like "I don't know out." I know I sucked but I kept trying a few more times and was about to give up then she started calling me back.

Long story short, I was with her for a long time. I did all this without even knowing what I was doing really. I was just being pushed by my passions even though I really sucked at it. The point is, if you really want something bad, you can probably get it, despite how back you suck. Of course most of the time none of us really want to go after some chick who doesn't act like she's interested, especially if we have a hell of a lot of options, but every once in a while there is that hot chick out there who hasn't really had many men try very hard and she just needs a little bit more digging past that first thick layer to get through to her. And that isn't the only time something like that has happened, just the best example.

I'm not saying that this happens a lot, but it happens a lot more than you would expect. And I think if you are really looking for quality and something on a more spiritual-like level (for lack of better wording), you are going to turn down a lot of easy ones and even some hot ones, like I have, almost subconsciously, at times; and you are going to follow what your soul is telling you and you'll end up going for one that may seem not even worth your time at first, but something will keep pushing you. It happens. I think most of us give up too easily on most things anyway. So what if you bug the **** out of some hot chick? So what? At least you know for sure that she's not interested.

 

[fertileTurtle]

misderection, well, thats her problem

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