A Womans Reaction To This Site?

[Halcyonique]

What do you think a womans reaction to this site & forum would be, and why?
Does thinking about this at all alter your outlook on what you do to get women?

Discuss!

 

[backbreaker]

my wife browses the forum here quite often. thinks it's a good resource, though she thinks some of you are "too far out there" lol, but in general agrees with the overall theme of the site. She thinks some of the posts by the "too far out there" guys are pretty funny to read which is why she browses sometimes.

 

[HalfAddict]

There have been quite a few women posters, they are usually butthurt. On occasion they are not, it does not take long for afc's to white knight for them and tools to hate on them and make them butthurt.

 

[floydb25]

I'm sure they browse, but don't post. Spying on the enemy, if you will.

 

[bigneil]

My oneitis once found my "Art of Seduction" book (which was honestly the only conspicuous book on my 7 foot high bookshelf). She wasn't impressed. In fact, it might have been fatal to the seduction.

Another ex actually found me on here (by Google searching for a keyword I mentioned) and she joined and commented on my article. Someone wrote "Keep your b*tch off the computer!"

 

[Aaron B]

my wife is aware of this material and has listened to a few episodes of my podcast

 

[Atom Smasher]

In almost all cases, it is very bad form to talk about the fight club.

You're throwing your power and leverage right out the window when she becomes aware of why you're acting certain ways with her. Your words and actions will no longer have the desired effect on her. She will recognize it as a technique you're using and not take it seriously.

I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, but I think it's a good thing to be reminded of once in a while. Most of us are here because of the massive number of societal advantages that exist for women. Studying and implementing what we discuss here on SS is our advantage.

 

[JonJaper]

I don't give a f*ck about how a woman reacts to this site. It won't change the way I am. A woman's opinion on something like this just doesn't matter. Remember how all the great Don Juans have said in multiple posts, a woman's actions are more important than their words. So why should we give a f*ck about what a woman has to say?

In Pook's 'Be a Man' article, he explains the flaw of listening to a woman:

The males listen and actualize what the women say. They are constantly declared 'sweet' and 'wonderful' and 'nice', oh 'so nice'. Mothers and older women are proud of them and tell them, "If I were younger, I would go for you!"

Poor Nice Guy! The women his own age avoid him like the plague and jump for the jerks. The Nice Guy becomes an emotional tampon to be used and discarded. The Nice Guy, being so nice and sweet, listens to the woman vomit her feelings about men and bleed her problems of her boyfriend on him. He listens with baited hope when he hears, "Oh, why can't guys be like you! You listen and understand." Then she turns around and gets abused by another jerk! The vicious cycle repeats again and again.

Why are women acting in this way?

They are simply acting as women do, as in their nature.

Women might SAY they like a nice guy. But their actions show otherwise.

Don't listen to what a woman says. Remember Pook's W0manese article (why is w0manese censored when spelt out normally LOL, not like it's a cuss word) ?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16976

It again demonstrates the difference between what a woman says and what she means. They either don't know what they want OR they can't properly communicate what they want. B!tches be crazy.

That's why I responded with anger recently when a woman started a thread on here about her opinions. Her post was just idealised BS that would never work in the real world and that she would never even follow in the real world.

In conclusion...don't give a f*ck about what a woman has to say or think, whether it's about this website, or about anything else.

 

[Konada]

They think its perverted bullshvt but they fall for the same bullshvt without ever realising it.

 

[backbreaker]

about 2 years ago when she first found this site, about plate spinning. lol, I accidently used the term in real life around her and she wanted to know what it meant. she never did like the fact that I dated other women and told her, but she "put up" with it. She told me how I was wrong and how women hate that ****. "she thought about cutting me off a lot of times" lol, but you didn't. I told her in fact if I am not mistaken you were practically begging me to stop dating other women. she didn't like that too much.

There was a guy in the picture before I met her, who basically was the anti me, total AFC. I asked her quite point blankly, if you hate it so much and it doesn't work, why didn't you date X or take him seriously, as he made it quite clear he wanted a relationship with you and she said "you know I don't see him like that, I'm not attracted to him like that"

I told her bam, that's your answer. You might not like it, but it builds attraction. Put the entire picture together, when I met her, she was single, with an orbiter. guy isn't bad looking, jsut reeks of AFCism. has no life, etc. Here I am, when I met her I am spinning 3 plates including her ,and have a few more on standby. And don't even pretend ot lie about it. Told her point blank, yep. I'm seeing her and her. even pointed one of them out one day when I saw her in the mall so she could see her competition. So you have this guy who is doing everything "right", everytime i would call her she was on the phone with him, or he would take her out to eat or some **** and would spend her entire time complaining about me and why i'm such a jerk. the dude hated me before he even met me. lol dude even had the nerve to send me an email one day, because I made her cry becuase she called me one day and wanted to spend the night and I told her point blank I had company and she couldn't. Dude called me every name in the book and told me I didn't 'deserve a woman like that'. dude is still single BTW. Yet, she won't date him, and the second I would call her she would drop whatever she was doing, deposit how "immature" i was being to come be with me. Part of me felt bad for the guy becuse i was him at one point in my life. Poor guy probably has no clue as to what he did wrong.


that entire experience actually tough me something very important about women. It's virtually impossible to get rid of a woman who is genuinely attracted to you, despite what you do , unless you end it. Regardless of what she might threaten to do. Proceed with your gameplan. If she is really into you she isn't going anywhere. They will *****, complain, call you eveyr name in the book, kthen fvck y our brains out and cherish every moment you spend with them. They love the emotional rollercoaster.

that in a nutshell sums up how women are with this type of informaiton

You can show a woman the playbook and she will still fall for all the plays, because women don't base their decisions on logic.

Just because someone says they don't' like something, doesn't mean it doesn't work. I'm quite sure women do hate plate spinning and other things men do, but it's effective.

 

[Halcyonique]

Awesome responses so far! Would love to see more.

I don't give a f*ck about how a woman reacts to this site. It won't change the way I am. A woman's opinion on something like this just doesn't matter. Remember how all the great Don Juans have said in multiple posts, a woman's actions are more important than their words. So why should we give a f*ck about what a woman has to say?

The point of this thread was to perhaps help strengthen or positively modify the outlook of the guys who want to up their game. I thought getting a woman's perspective might actually help it for better, being as getting a woman is the whole shtick here and it's kind of common knowledge that people in general kind of like being listened to, especially when things like love and sex are in the picture.

In Pook's 'Be a Man' article, he explains the flaw of listening to a woman:

This sh!t scares me... whether they're about either genders. They never, ever, ever fail to have really attention-grabbing titles which prey on the naivety of people who haven't figured themselves out yet.

Notice how chicks write articles for chicks with titles like these gems:

"How to grab his attention"

"What he REALLY wants in the bedroom!"

"ARE BLONDES REALLY BETTER? Which one he really prefers", etc?

Chicks buy this sh!t, feel like they're really gained some knowledge, and then get pizzy when their guy doesn't notice that their hair is TWO WHOLE shades lighter,and they have special lace trimming on their thong which is by Versace?

If she wanted to look hot for her bf, why didn't she just ask HIM what he thought was hot?

Similarly to this, guys write articles for guys on how how to be with women; books of course require a financial transaction for the privilege of being told that you've no idea what "being a man" is.. O but wait.. there's more! If you buy before Mar 29 2012, you also receive a FREE pamphlet on how to overhaul your wardrobe, which is clearly repelling chicks left right and center!

What I'm getting at: People, in general, like being listened to.

If you don't want to listen to them, don't. It'll save you time.

If you pretend to listen, but aren't, and you secretly think that everything that this or that chick is saying to you is some BS codespeak that you read about from whichever article / book / zine / guy-friend / pro-PUA, either go in the opposite direction, or CHILL. The. Fvck. OUT! Possibly both.

If you pretend to listen but aren't and literally everything she's saying is just literal BS to you, why is she worth your time? No matter how hot she might be, there'll be others.

Women might SAY they like a nice guy. But their actions show otherwise.

Whose? The entire population of women? I think Obama fits the bracket of "nice guy"... he has a pretty smoking wife imo. Richard Dawkins couldn't fit the "bad boy" persona if he tried.. Sure, those guys could be considered "alpha" with their abilities and so on, women that go for bad guys are usually used to being treated badly, and so feel undeserving of anything better. I know many of you already know that, which is why you prey on them for easy pvssy, however my point is - not all women like the same thing, which is why indulging in articles whereby you are told what to be can only fit the bill to some extent.

There's as much causality-based reason as to what kind of woman you want as what kind of guy any given woman wants. The mindsets of women aren't universal the same as yours aren't universal.

Don't listen to what a woman says. Remember Pook's W0manese article (why is w0manese censored when spelt out normally LOL, not like it's a cuss word) ?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16976

It again demonstrates the difference between what a woman says and what she means. They either don't know what they want OR they can't properly communicate what they want. B!tches be crazy.

It's crazy to refer to a code to decipher what anyone is saying.
If I felt I had to refer to something like that to decode what someone's saying to me, I'd either not bother with them or think I was the one going batsh!t insane.

That's why I responded with anger recently when a woman started a thread on here about her opinions. Her post was just idealised BS that would never work in the real world and that she would never even follow in the real world.

In conclusion...don't give a f*ck about what a woman has to say or think, whether it's about this website, or about anything else.

You emanate a sense of a man who has a deep, deep distrust for women to the point of it being unhealthy. Please don't take this badly bro but I honestly think if you put more care into yourself and getting to the root of why you feel so little trust, you'll feel better for it (and probably pull more chicks too, although I honestly think you could do without the trouble at this point and would be better to dedicate more time to yourself).

 

[Michele l'Arcangelo]

I showed my girlfriend this site after a year of being together. I didn't care, and she read here and there, and thought it was interesting, and has never looked at the site since I first showed her.

I used to think that showing a girl this site would reveal my hand, but it doesn't if unless you're trying to be a PUA.

She knows what I say or do is because it's my upbringing and morals, not because a silly website told me to.

This is a non-issue if you're in a LTR and are open about everything.

 

[JonJaper]

I thought getting a woman's perspective might actually help it for better

You thought wrong. Don't believe me? Then get dating advice from your female friends and family members and follow it literally. I can guarantee you it will end badly. A lot of us suck with women BECAUSE we listened to females giving us advice.

Also, people like being listened to, but that doesn't mean you should listen to them, especially when they're wrong and talking utter BS. Don't tell me that you'll nod and say "yes, that's right" when a Scientologist tells you all about the evil Lord Xenu and how you have to pay lots of money to the Church of Scientology to avoid eternal damnation from him etc. I'm not the kind of guy that is out to seek approval from others, especially those whom I don't agree with. To me, approval seeking is one of the most AFC things you can do.

I think Obama fits the bracket of "nice guy"... he has a pretty smoking wife imo. Richard Dawkins couldn't fit the "bad boy" persona if he tried.. Sure, those guys could be considered "alpha" with their abilities and so on, women that go for bad guys are usually used to being treated badly, and so feel undeserving of anything better. I know many of you already know that, which is why you prey on them for easy pvssy, however my point is - not all women like the same thing, which is why indulging in articles whereby you are told what to be can only fit the bill to some extent.

Dawkins's intellect aside....have you seen Dawkins in an argument? Do you think he is a nice guy? He is ruthlessly logical in a debate, not caring about his opponent's feelings or beliefs. He says things which he believes in, whether he pisses off many religious nuts or not. He doesn't give a $hit. Plus you can't be a nice guy if you're in a position of power. If Obama was a nice guy and a pu$$Y who couldn't stand up for his country's interests, he would be pretty $hit. And...you think Michelle Obama is smoking? Seriously? She is a 5 out of 10 maximum. Get help.

Also..."you prey on them for easy pvssy?" Are you trying to take the moral high ground here? You sound like the biggest white knight, implying Don Juans are horrible guys who take advantage of damaged, troubled women.

And yes, not all women like the same thing. But they all have one thing in common - THEY ARE ALL WOMEN. Deep down, there are some things which are very common to most women that is ingrained in our human behaviour. In the same way, there are a lot of things that are common in male behaviour...that's in our nature, if you will.

It's crazy to refer to a code to decipher what anyone is saying.
If I felt I had to refer to something like that to decode what someone's saying to me, I'd either not bother with them or think I was the one going batsh!t insane.

Ok, now you're dismissing Pook and his articles. I have stopped taking you seriously now, you obviously think you know it all better than all the other experienced people here.

Infact, from what you've posted, I have a deep suspicion that you are a woman, if not a mega 'nice guy'.

You emanate a sense of a man who has a deep, deep distrust for women to the point of it being unhealthy. Please don't take this badly bro but I honestly think if you put more care into yourself and getting to the root of why you feel so little trust, you'll feel better for it (and probably pull more chicks too, although I honestly think you could do without the trouble at this point and would be better to dedicate more time to yourself).

I like a good psycholanalysis every now and then but you can lay off it because you sound like a chump here. I don't trust what women say because I have observed and learnt from people on sosuave (who are much wiser and experienced than you are). I trust a woman's actions. I think that's extremely healthy and I don't give a f*ck if you disagree.

But hey, what do all these experienced guys at sosuave know, right? You've dismissed Pook and I'm sure you'll dismiss others too. You must have all the answers, and I suspect from your posts you are going to white knight, put women on a pedestal, take their words seriously and think their opinions matter. So go right ahead.

Good luck in getting screwed over by women. We'll be here to support you when you've had enough of being a nice guy and want to change .


/thread.

 

[floydb25]

Pook's logic is flawed. The nice guy "finishes last" because he acts too friendly. It has nothing to do with being nice or mean. People categorize you based on what you do, and how you make them feel.

For instance, you might have your friends who you play sports with. Whenever you're going to play, you call them up. And its typically for that purpose only. This is how you categorize them - based on what you do.

The nice guy who listens to her complain is categorized the same way. It's all she views him as, and comes to him for - because HE placed himself in that position. She's not "using" him as an emotional tampon - he volunteered himself to that position.

Also, when people complain - its because they care. There wouldn't be such a strong passion behind it otherwise. The person they are complaining TO are just the middle men. They don't feel anything for them. Thus, being the nice guy when she complains about the person she has feelings for is futile. Big waste of time if you are hoping for more.

All the nice guy has to do is ATTRACT her. He can't do this by being her best friend or therapist. It's the role he plays that screws him over. Not the fact that he's nice.

Finally, women exaggerate. These guys they complain about arent usually jerks. Whenever someone makes them mad - they automatically call them jerks. Especially if there are feelings involved... Then, they ***** like no other. Doesn't mean the guy is a jerk. The nice guy is only hearing all the bad stuff.

 

[backbreaker]

Pook's logic is flawed. The nice guy "finishes last" because he acts too friendly. It has nothing to do with being nice or mean. People categorize you based on what you do, and how you make them feel.

For instance, you might have your friends who you play sports with. Whenever you're going to play, you call them up. And its typically for that purpose only. This is how you categorize them - based on what you do.

The nice guy who listens to her complain is categorized the same way. It's all she views him as, and comes to him for - because HE placed himself in that position. She's not "using" him as an emotional tampon - he volunteered himself to that position.

lol what do you mean his logic is flawed that's pretty much verbatim what he says in the "be a man" post

 

[JonJaper]

Pook's logic is flawed. The nice guy "finishes last" because he acts too friendly. It has nothing to do with being nice or mean. People categorize you based on what you do, and how you make them feel.

For instance, you might have your friends who you play sports with. Whenever you're going to play, you call them up. And its typically for that purpose only. This is how you categorize them - based on what you do.

The nice guy who listens to her complain is categorized the same way. It's all she views him as, and comes to him for - because HE placed himself in that position. She's not "using" him as an emotional tampon - he volunteered himself to that position.

Also, when people complain - its because they care. There wouldn't be such a strong passion behind it otherwise. The person they are complaining TO are just the middle men. They don't feel anything for them. Thus, being the nice guy when she complains about the person she has feelings for is futile. Big waste of time if you are hoping for more.

All the nice guy has to do is ATTRACT her. He can't do this by being her best friend or therapist. It's the role he plays that screws him over. Not the fact that he's nice.

Finally, women exaggerate. These guys they complain about arent usually jerks. Whenever someone makes them mad - they automatically call them jerks. Especially if there are feelings involved... Then, they ***** like no other. Doesn't mean the guy is a jerk. The nice guy is only hearing all the bad stuff.

...and how is what you have just said opposing what Pook says? You're interpreting the same thing in a slightly different way (as mentioned in your emotional tampon point). Minute details aside, the fundamental message on nice guys is still the same. The point still stands.

We don't want to be this guy here >>>> :flowers:

Also...this thread is caring about a woman's reaction to sosuave and whether the reaction may affect your outlook. I hope you at least agree with Pook to not take a woman's words/opinions literally.

 

[floydb25]

Maybe not his logic, but his reasoning and manner in which he says it. This is how generalizations start, and why people go to opposite extremes. "Oh, being nice doesn't work... It's jerk time." - when it has nothing to do with being nice or mean.

He's also making the women look like the enemy. "It's just the way they are; they like jerks and use nice guys". The nice guy is allowing himself to be used, because he thinks its going to get him progress with her romantically. But he's not actually DOING anything to make it to that stage. Even when she tries to take it there - he STILL doesn't do anything, because he tries to get to know her first, heal her of her problems, push for a relationship, and blah blah - because he THINKS that's what she wants.

 

[floydb25]

Oh, of course. What people think they want, and say they want is a lot different from what they respond to. It's the nature of attraction. They don't think about it - they just pursue it (or not) once that time comes.

I say people because its not gender-based. We do the same thing all the time. My friends complain about their ***** girlfriends - only to go back to them. Or, complaining about not being able to find a nice girl - as they're pursuing the next skank - only to complain that she's a skank.

Generalizing just makes you bitter.

 

[backbreaker]

Maybe not his logic, but his reasoning and manner in which he says it. This is how generalizations start, and why people go to opposite extremes. "Oh, being nice doesn't work... It's jerk time." - when it has nothing to do with being nice or mean.

He's also making the women look like the enemy. "It's just the way they are; they like jerks and use nice guys". The nice guy is allowing himself to be used, because he thinks its going to get him progress with her romantically. But he's not actually DOING anything to make it to that stage. Even when she tries to take it there - he STILL doesn't do anything, because he tries to get to know her first, heal her of her problems, push for a relationship, and blah blah - because he THINKS that's what she wants.

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/115247_o.gif

 

[Halcyonique]

You thought wrong. Don't believe me? Then get dating advice from your female friends and family members and follow it literally. I can guarantee you it will end badly. A lot of us suck with women BECAUSE we listened to females giving us advice.

I think getting dating advice from anyone but yourself will kind of suck tbh.
Only you know what you want and you have your own personal experiences. I mean, if you're a nice person and someone says "be a jerk!" and you take it, and succeed in obtaining a partner, sure you'll have a partner, but she won't know sh!t about you. HOWEVER, if you ARE just in it for the pvssy, you get just the pvssy.

Also, people like being listened to, but that doesn't mean you should listen to them, especially when they're wrong and talking utter BS. Don't tell me that you'll nod and say "yes, that's right" when a Scientologist tells you all about the evil Lord Xenu and how you have to pay lots of money to the Church of Scientology to avoid eternal damnation from him etc.

Well exactly.. Hence why I said that if you can't be fvcked with listening to someone, step the hell away and go chat up someone else instead of wasting your time with her. :/

I'm not the kind of guy that is out to seek approval from others, especially those whom I don't agree with. To me, approval seeking is one of the most AFC things you can do.

Okay.

Dawkins's intellect aside....have you seen Dawkins in an argument? Do you think he is a nice guy? He is ruthlessly logical in a debate, not caring about his opponent's feelings or beliefs. He says things which he believes in, whether he pisses off many religious nuts or not. He doesn't give a $hit. Plus you can't be a nice guy if you're in a position of power. If Obama was a nice guy and a pu$$Y who couldn't stand up for his country's interests, he would be pretty $hit.

It really depends on how one defines nice guy, bad guy, etc. I have since noticed that there are varying definitions for what constitutes these things.
Personally, I wouldn't define either Dawkins or Obama as "bad boys". IMHO, they're too intelligent to fit that kind of phrase... Perhaps "EPICALLY BADASS boys" would be more apt. When I think of "bad boys", I think of guys who are all talk and no deliver.

And...you think Michelle Obama is smoking? Seriously? She is a 5 out of 10 maximum. Get help.

LOL WTF dude?! Why so defensive over me finding Michelle Obama hot?
Wow. Incredible.

Also..."you prey on them for easy pvssy?" Are you trying to take the moral high ground here? You sound like the biggest white knight, implying Don Juans are horrible guys who take advantage of damaged, troubled women.

Well, no I'm not trying to take any moral high ground, but I do apologise for saying "you". I'll always own up to being wrong and I was wrong to say that; I fully retract that statement. I should have said "some".

And yes, not all women like the same thing. But they all have one thing in common - THEY ARE ALL WOMEN. Deep down, there are some things which are very common to most women that is ingrained in our human behaviour. In the same way, there are a lot of things that are common in male behaviour...that's in our nature, if you will.

Yeah they're all women.. so, what does that mean to you? :/
They're all women and therefore... what?

It seems somewhat clear to me that you feel that all women are untrustworthy, full of bs, and crazy.

Ok, now you're dismissing Pook and his articles. I have stopped taking you seriously now, you obviously think you know it all better than all the other experienced people here.

I don't worship The Almighty Pook so suddenly everything I say is null?
Okay listen to yourself, dude... you sound like a hardcore religious nut..

Infact, from what you've posted, I have a deep suspicion that you are a woman, if not a mega 'nice guy'.

Oh no! We can't be having either of those on here, can we?
You can't trust chicks for sh!t, and certain guys (for which there are these special labels & tags for).... well entertaining any man who isn't <insert random GOOD term for acceptable man here> is just CRAZY TALK.

I like a good psycholanalysis every now and then but you can lay off it because you sound like a chump here.

I was actually trying to help you man... You say you aren't seeking approval, but if I dare give you my own advice and you take it so badly, WTF do you want? :/

I don't trust what women say because I have observed and learnt from people on sosuave (who are much wiser and experienced than you are).

Bro, I really don't care, mind, or lose any sleep over who you think is wiser or more experienced than me.. But fvck, don't put anybody on a pedastal... whether it's Pook, or anybody else here. Just get out there, be yourself and have your own experiences.

I trust a woman's actions. I think that's extremely healthy and I don't give a f*ck if you disagree.

Woah woah okay! Calm. Down.

Likewise. I don't give a fvck if you don't give a fvck about whether I do or do not give a fvck! Okay? Okay!
We're even now!

But hey, what do all these experienced guys at sosuave know, right? You've dismissed Pook and I'm sure you'll dismiss others too. You must have all the answers, and I suspect from your posts you are going to white knight, put women on a pedestal, take their words seriously and think their opinions matter. So go right ahead.

My acceptance or non-acceptance of others information is not based on me thinking I "have all the answers".

I just don't swallow all the text I read from anyone without any scepticism.

Good luck in getting screwed over by women. We'll be here to support you when you've had enough of being a nice guy and want to change .

I get the distinct impression from you that you're trying to make me feel how you feel. I don't rise to that, but with care, I reiterate this:

You emanate a sense of a man who has a deep, deep distrust for women to the point of it being unhealthy. Please don't take this badly bro but I honestly think if you put more care into yourself and getting to the root of why you feel so little trust, you'll feel better for it (and probably pull more chicks too, although I honestly think you could do without the trouble at this point and would be better to dedicate more time to yourself).

Look out for yourself.