"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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A Stoic Way of Thinking

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I've been reading a lot of stoic works lately (Seneca, MA, etc.) and one theme that continually arises is that we will all die (memento mori). By focusing on this inevitability, we can appreciate the moment and not be attached to an outcome.

I just broke up with a girl and while this one isn't the worst breakup I've ever had, it still stings. I'm starting to realize that I should have incorporated these stoic thoughts into my relationship. If I had constantly reminded myself that the relationship would inevitably ended and prevented myself from romanticizing her, I would have been able to end this with a smoother landing.

Thoughts? BigNeil - some of your posts got me on this train of thought. I'd really be interested in your perspective.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Great thread, OP.

@Reykhel and @ChristopherColumbus might have some valuable feedback. They are active stoic thinkers on this forum.

Check out my thread on Marcus Aurelius.

Other stoic philosophers:
  • Cato the Younger
  • Epictetus
  • Simplicius of Cilicia
  • Bernard Stiegler
  • Eckhart Tolle (modern day author influenced by Seneca and Epictetus)
Along the lines of this philosophy on death, in my 20s I was influenced by the book Hagakure: The Way of the Samurai.

The book records Tsunetomo's views on bushido, the warrior code of the samurai. Hagakure is sometimes said to assert that bushido is really the "Way of Dying" or living as though one was already dead and that a samurai must be willing to die at any moment in order to be true to his lord. His saying "the way of the warrior is death" was a summation of the willingness to sacrifice that bushido codified.​

Excerpts are read in a cool ol' school movie, Ghost Dog that is worth checking out. Also a killer soundtrack by RZA of Wu-Tang Clan fame.



Emptiness is Form. Excerpt begins at 02:01
 
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I agree...internal dialog or self talk, is key.

It helps with posture, and attraction.

Stay positive!
 
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