A Real Fight That Happend - Thoughts

[Reyaj]

I know this is from a reality tv show but it shows how a real street fight developed between 2 people leaving a bar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTL33GqXDec

Should it have happend?

 

[Julian]

What do you mean should it have happened? Should anything happen?

Sometimes your forced into a sh1tty situation like some d bag startin a mess outside the bar. Ronnie should have kept his loudmouth girls mouth shut and not even talked back to the guy. Just continue on in arrogant silence while keeping a peripheral view on the d bag. Now if the guy was feeling really froggy he would leap eventually, or just get bored.

Ive learned that the whole "squaring up" and verbally coming at eachother is all "pre fight male ritual". People try to pump themselves up, yell louder them themselves seem bigger, posturing all that stuff. Trained killers/fighters dont do that. thats why you always see steven seagal never lose his cool. (yeah movie example whatever). Im sure GSP wouldnt be flexin an pullin up his pant bottoms an talkin a bunch of smack, he would just have a dismissive look on his face while hes mentally and physically preparing himself to strike in an instant if need be.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Notice that the guy picking the fight was HORRIBLE at fighting. Plus he was wearing sandals. The other guy should have just tackled him a lot sooner.

And if you're ever sitting on someone's chest who is grabbing you like that and pulling you down, take the bony part of your hand and press it into the soft spot on their face. Push off their face, and it will hurt enough for them to let you go. Then you straighten up your posture so that your spine is upright and commence punching. There are UFC fighters who don't know that trick.

 

[bigjohnson]

It was in the script, of course it should happen, the producers paid good money for that.

 

[speakeasy]

Stupid ass douchebags.

 

[ArcBound]

Notice that the guy picking the fight was HORRIBLE at fighting. Plus he was wearing sandals. The other guy should have just tackled him a lot sooner.

And if you're ever sitting on someone's chest who is grabbing you like that and pulling you down, take the bony part of your hand and press it into the soft spot on their face. Push off their face, and it will hurt enough for them to let you go. Then you straighten up your posture so that your spine is upright and commence punching. There are UFC fighters who don't know that trick.

thats actually similar to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu techniques. I also find that when you're sitting on someone's chest you can wrap your legs around his back and do a death grip, and lifting and slamming his upperbody against the floor knocks all the breath out of him.

 

[Reyaj]

These fights really weren't staged

Here is later episode where the same guy actually got arrested for it.

This time he is clearly wrong though cause he charges and attacks the guy (imho)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzoXxDUZock&feature=related

 

[speakeasy]

thats actually similar to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu techniques. I also find that when you're sitting on someone's chest you can wrap your legs around his back and do a death grip, and lifting and slamming his upperbody against the floor knocks all the breath out of him.

Yeah, rule is, stay off the ground unless you know what the fck you're doing. Because even a small guy that knows his sh*t on the ground will eff you up if you don't know ground fighting.

Stay the hell off the ground.

 

[Reyaj]

Notice that the guy picking the fight was HORRIBLE at fighting. Plus he was wearing sandals. The other guy should have just tackled him a lot sooner.

And if you're ever sitting on someone's chest who is grabbing you like that and pulling you down, take the bony part of your hand and press it into the soft spot on their face. Push off their face, and it will hurt enough for them to let you go. Then you straighten up your posture so that your spine is upright and commence punching. There are UFC fighters who don't know that trick.

Sorry for sounding like a retard, but what part of your hand do you consider bony? And what is the soft spot on their face? Their cheeks?

More importantly, if you are on the bottom in a situation like that, whatsthe best defense assuming you don't know BJJ submissions... Is there a way to reverse the position?

Anytime I've been in a scirmish and I'm on the ground I am pretty much ****ed...

 

[bigjohnson]

These fights really weren't staged

B*llsh*t. Pure and simple.

 

[Iceberg]

These fights really weren't staged

Here is later episode where the same guy actually got arrested for it.

This time he is clearly wrong though cause he charges and attacks the guy (imho)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzoXxDUZock&feature=related

It seemed pretty staged.

I remember that episode. The instigator basically started the fight based around the premise of "You're not from the jersey shore." One of the first comments he said to the cast members was "What do you know about the Jersey Shore?"

It's one thing if you see the cameras, and you start heckling the cast members off camera. It's another thing to spend a good 30 minutes in front of a camera picking a fight and THEN actually instigate a fight while on camera, WITH your girlfriend participating in the instigation. Which is what the guy did to the Jersey Shore cast-member (Ronnie).

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but when I saw that the first thing that popped in my head was, "MTV paid some meathead stunt man to start a fight with Ronnie." The 2nd fight, where Ronnie got arrested...that seemed real. It happened off-camera. The 1st one seemed totally gift-wrapped for the MTV cameras and producers. Everything from the instigation to the fight itself happened right on camera.

 

[PRMoon]

The mere fact that this was on MTV should cast serious doubt over the legitimacy of this "brawl". MTV reality show's are influenced at literally every step by the producers. Between what happens off camera and what ends up on the cutting room floor there's maybe 10% improvisation and 90% television magic. This fight in all its "spontaneity" was doubtlessly part of that 90%.

 

[BigJimbo]

Uh, that is called Hollywood. Very gay to say the least. Geez, I think I saw a dude with a boom mic at one point in that video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jO1R2w7Ovs
Too bad the West doesn't allow security to act like this. I can only imagine the lawsuits in America from this sort of thing. BTW, notice. Short hair and no fvcking gel!! Praise God and Allah for that masculine style and look.

Here is a secret that you learn in places where guys will and do fight. You don't have times to grab and hold and sit on some dude. One decently connected blow and it is over. A blow to the face, neck, or throat hurts like you can't believe. Reason why fighting is stupid! Those dudes in that video threw quick and compact blows to the face. End of game. Doesn't take a Kung-Fu expert to end a fight. You get hit by your grandma cleanly in the face or throat and you are down for a while. It is not like the movies or silly MMA shows.

Another problem is that I have seen guys pull guns immediately. Lots of guns floating around places like Russia and America. Reason to be a ***** and live another day. So quit thinking fighting is cool. Do it in a gym with supervision, but always avoid that crap on the street.

 

[bigjohnson]

Another problem is that I have seen guys pull guns immediately.

That's my goto. I don't pick fights and I don't f*ck around. Leave me alone and I won't cause anyone any trouble, ever.

 

[user43770]

+1

I have the same philosophy. Leave me alone and there won't be a problem, but if you so much as touch me I'll unload a magazine into your chest. I'm not going to throw punches and roll around on the ground, I'm going straight to my gun. I've been attacked/mugged before, not letting anyone do anything like that to me again, ever.

That needs to be a last resort, man. Make sure that it's justified or the DA will eat you alive.

 

[bigjohnson]

That needs to be a last resort, man. Make sure that it's justified or the DA will eat you alive.

Yes, in fact if you try to pick a fight, I'll back down, I'll say I'm sorry, I'll call 911, I'll walk away. But if there's no way out, I'll kill you before you hurt me or someone I love. But I'll feel really bad about it later, seriously.

 

[Rescue Mission]

I know this is from a reality tv show but it shows how a real street fight developed between 2 people leaving a bar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTL33GqXDec

Should it have happend?

This was not a real street fight, camera's were rolling and everyone knew it.....why are we even wasting our breath on this?

 

[DJDamage]

. But if there's no way out, I'll kill you before you hurt me or someone I love.

I am not saying you aren't right but you got to prove that if you killed someone that he was seriously intended to harm you (as a result he looks now like the victim and you are the bad guy). Unless someone is not threatning you with a weapon then your ass goes to jail, if you use a gun on him to kill him.

Unless you live in a run down ghetto then owning a gun and using it, seems to be more trouble then its worth.

 

[user43770]

I am not saying you aren't right but you got to prove that if you killed someone that he was seriously intended to harm you (as a result he looks now like the victim and you are the bad guy). Unless someone is not threatning you with a weapon then your ass goes to jail, if you use a gun on him to kill him.

Unless you live in a run down ghetto then owning a gun and using it, seems to be more trouble then its worth.

Everything you said is true. This is why having a CWP (concealed weapons permit) is a rather large responsibility. Then again, CWP holders are taught to keep themselves out of sketchy situations. You aren't allowed to consume alcohol or enter any establishment that sells it (restaurants sometimes being the exception). Trust me, as a person who carries a concealed weapon, I do not take it lightly. It is on my mind at all times, and the last thing I want to do is brandish a weapon. I'm sure bigjohnson feels the same way. Let me leave you with an age old saying: It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.


This guy is happy he had it: http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11878365

 

[DJDamage]

This guy is happy he had it: http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11878365

He was lucky he had witnesses, that's what probably saved him from staying in jail and being tangled with this mess. However the investigation is still pending so this guy is not out of the woods yet. He was also lucky that the two guys were intoxicated so it makes his case looks better.