"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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A little discussion I had with a misguided AFC

Jokerlsk

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I wish I could of helped him before it was too late guys. I really tried, but his ignorance and AFCdom blinded him. Here's the conversation.
i didnt go for the movie. i went for amber

6:15pmMe
see, you don't do that
You don't do anything just for a girl
6:16pmHim
pshh thats how u real them tin
in*
6:16pmMe
no, it's not
that's how you get friendzoned and used like a tool
6:17pmHim
and thats y i have girls likin ME right
6:17pmMe
sure......
6:17pmHim
lol
im just messin with ya
6:17pmMe
It's fine if you don't want to believe me
but in the end
You'll be asking me for help
so have a good day
6:17pmHim
lol
ok
6:18pmMe
And I'm not gonna help you this time around
Him
Who says I'll need it
Me
Oh, I've just got a good feeling

Anyways........ Turns out this girl rejected him (like I knew she would) and only likes him as a friend. Isn't Karma a B****
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Cool, good for him, no need to be a arrogant prick about it.
 

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Karma? What karma?

It's a shame that things didn't work out for him but calling anyone who disagrees with you an AFC is a bit ridiculous.
 

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Don't get all big headed and proud Jokerisk. The things you've been through concerning women and the advice you've received since you've been here has been a tremendous help to you. I can tell you're growing in knowledge by the advice you gave your friend,and more importantly,by your last thread.
You're growing in knowledge,and knowledge is power,but with power comes responsibility. Sosuave has an ocean of information that not a lot of guys have access to. I just happened to stumble upon this site one day while I was reading some pua material. It shouldn't give you any kind of pleasure to see your friend fail. Remember,it wasn't all that long ago that you were in the same situation as him:Trying and failing,trying and failing,trying and failing with women and not having a clue as to why it always seemed to not work out.

Yeah man,it feels great to see where you are versus where you've been.
My guess is that your friend is going down a road that you've already been before. You already knew how things were going to turn out for him because you've done been there and done that before a thousand times yourself.

And what's this deal about Karma you're talking about? Karma is when you do something wrong,then wrong comes back to you. Your friend didn't do anything wrong,all he did was not take your advice. That's not karma,that stupidity. When someone knows what they're talking about,and you don't listen to them,that's being stupid,not karma. He didn't listen to you,so he paid the price,but don't rejoice over him failing. That's not cool. Use the knowledge you gain here to help your friends out,not to look down on them for not knowing what you know.
 

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Okay, well, to clarify.......... This certain guy has been gauging me for advice lately, and I've been giving it to him, but he decided he was going to be a jerk about this situation when he said, "I have girls liking ME." Well..... ummmm.... to be quite honest that girl of his doesn't like him...... She's actually one of my good friends and said that he has a personality that's synonomous with vanilla icecream... Anyways, I talked to that girl and she uses him like the AFC he is. I am a recovering AFC, but i was never used and abused like this guy. She makes him buy her lunch, give her money for a coke, buy her movie ticket even though they don't go out etc. Heck, I've even confronted her about it. The last straw was when she invited him to a damn movie as a "date" acting like she liked him and such when she really doesn't. Going back to conversation...... The first line when i said, "See you don't do that, you don't do anything for a girl," I was implying that you don't let a girl use you. And because he's an AFC he responded with, "that's how you reel them in......." I wasn't being a jerk. I was watching out for a good friend of mine who doesn't want to hear the truth. Wouldn't you want to hear the truth even if it hurt? It's stupidity (like you said Igetit) because he didn't listen to me, asked her out, and got denied. His fault, not mine, and i'm not responsible to help him if he doesn't want to hear the truth anyways. Judge me if you want, but I did what i thought was best. It's karma because he already has a really fugly gf and attempted to cheat on her with an even uglier girl, but got denied. Wow.......
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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I know a guy like that. I no longer talk to him because of his ignorance and it's not just to women. He thinks he knows all.
 

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Thank you. I don't really feel like talking to this particular guy anymore either. Tell you the truth, I'm not a jerkish kind of guy. I've never been that way. I'm nice to everyone that wants to be kind back; however, I happen to be a major smartass, and if you're asking for punishment I'll give it to you. I don't have a main group of friends anymore, and I'm perfectly fine with that because it gives me the opportunity to drift with all my other groups. I'm not the most popular kid, but people know who I am, and they know that I'm a nice, cool, guy. I feel like this kid uses me for social rep because he was new last year, and I'm the guy that introduces all the new kids to the school, so I was the first person to actually befriend him. He's just dragging me down, and I'm not gonna let that happen.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me how newbies come here, read some materials, become "enlightened" but still have nothing to show for their time & efforts, yet feel the needs to label others as "misguided" and go out of their way to try to save those "lost souls".
 

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I love how you've been on here for a month longer than me, and still call me a newbie. Bahahahaha. Dude, just because you post twice as much as me doesn't mean you know more than me. Have a good life
 

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I'm neither referring to how long one's been here (I've actually been here a lot longer, just that account was signed up in Jan this year) nor post counts. It's where you are in the Game that counts. I've seen a number of threads you started. You're very much new to everything and have a lot of sh!t to sort out. Fight that urge to convert or "save" your misguided friends.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I'll do that while you continue being a keyboard jockey with your 775 post.
Thanks a lot for your words of wisdom. :p
 

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Joker tried to help his buddy guys.

Of course having been stubborn AFC's ourselves once upon a time its no surprise that Joker's friend thought he knew better than Joker.

Its like Rollo always says "unplugging chumps from the Matrix is dirty business".

AFC's can sh!t on your efforts to help them and it makes ya angry and you figure why bother?

Well anyway Joker the only thing you can really do now buddy is let your friend get burned and burned and burned some more and if he finally decides to smarten up he'll start listening to you.

No sense in you trying to help this idiot anymore until he's ready to stop failing.

Anyway though good work at least in trying to unplug someone.

The less AFC's out there in the world the more we guys will benefit from it.
 

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Even if you did tell him what to do, he would have later fvcked it up for himself anyway. Look at his ego, if you told him what to do he would have thought he done it on his own.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Jokerlsk said:
It's karma because he already has a really fugly gf and attempted to cheat on her with an even uglier girl, but got denied. Wow.......
Jokerlsk said:
Well..... ummmm.... to be quite honest that girl of his doesn't like him...... She's actually one of my good friends and said that he has a personality that's synonomous with vanilla icecream... Anyways, I talked to that girl and she uses him like the AFC he is. I am a recovering AFC, but i was never used and abused like this guy. She makes him buy her lunch, give her money for a coke, buy her movie ticket even though they don't go out etc. Heck, I've even confronted her about it. The last straw was when she invited him to a damn movie as a "date" acting like she liked him and such when she really doesn't.
Just out of curiosity,
Is the "really fugly girl" and your friend "that uses him" the same exact person? :confused:
 

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Nah, he has a gf already, and she's really ugly, but it's even funnier how he wanted to cheat on her with an even uglier girl. haha
 

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Jokerlsk said:
Nah, he has a gf already, and she's really ugly, but it's even funnier how he wanted to cheat on her with an even uglier girl. haha

Haha, yeah no doubt! :crackup:


Provide your Don Juan brothers with some pics of these beauties your friend is going after :up:
 

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Of course having been stubborn AFC's ourselves once upon a time its no surprise that Joker's friend thought he knew better than Joker.
There's more than 1 way to seduce a female. Just because 1 girl rejected him and he doesn't spend his days on a PUA forum where 90% of the people are nerds that think they're the **** doesn't make him an AFC.

He could just be a normal person with normal social skills. And your normal person probably has equal game to the heavy number of weirdos that read Mystery and ask canned openers.
 

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"There's more than 1 way to seduce a female."

Yeah too bad joker's friend clearly exhibited that he thought the way to a woman's heart was "doing things for her" ala the mindset of a typical AFC ie girl increases while they decrease.

"Just because 1 girl rejected him and he doesn't spend his days on a PUA forum where 90% of the people are nerds that think they're the **** doesn't make him an AFC."

Of course one girl rejecting him doesn't make the guy an AFC.

Rather his mindset on how he thought he could win a girl's love did which is what I pointed out genius.

"He could just be a normal person with normal social skills."

But he is more likely an average frustrated chump based on the mindset he displayed which joker revealed to us in this thread.

"And your normal person probably has equal game to the heavy number of weirdos that read Mystery and ask canned openers."

I'm not a fan of Mystery or any of the gurus but I doubt they'd be as successful as they are if their stuff didn't work.

So yeah it was fun responding to your pointless trolling and argument for the sake of argument fingz.

Its clear NLG isn't holding your attention much these days to continue posting on these fake accounts and or having your nut riders make fake accounts to troll with here.

Why don't you work on getting some new ideas for your site instead of bullying people and coming here to argue for the sake of argument?

What I'd suggest is for you to get a mainsite going and have volunteers from what userbase you have left to help you write articles for the mainsite regularly like Allen and others do for the mainsite here. Start becoming a next level for real and stop trying to recreate and live in the Pooky past ok? That time is over with now and people want something new to read about. The Pook stuff was valueable during its time but even Pook himself evolved away from that to new stuff. Why don't you do the same?

http://www.nextlevelgame.net/showthread.php?t=1028

Oh yeah and you really should delete that pitiful RolloSuave insult fest of a thread and start doing your damn job as an admin. You really are a disgrace in a leadership role allowing others to bully reset and then you yourself banning reset for no good reason and allowing the trolls that bullied him to remain unbanned and leaving this idiotic thread up for so long but its not too late for you to turn that all around and gain some small level of respect for yourself so get to the deleting.

"Just because 1 girl rejected him and he doesn't spend his days on a PUA forum where 90% of the people are nerds that think they're the **** doesn't make him an AFC."

Oh yeah and next time you are feeling froggy and want to jump all over people with insults about being nerds and keyboard jockies hows about before doing that you post tons of pictures proving your own game for once? Lets see that your wife isn't imaginary and lets see all the success you've supposedly had in verifiable living color via some photos. No more of your ridiculous insults and bullying of people from you or your members at least until every damned last one of you that enjoys bullying and belittling people proves their own damned game first.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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