Fenderules
Master Don Juan
yeah its soooo true. Lol all the nerds in highschool became the top later on.
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
a group of girls insulted me and now i feel horrible
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I think all girls brag to their friends about the guys that hit on them. That's just how they are.Originally posted by Don Juanabbe
So some cheerleader needs to feel better about herself by bragging to all her friends that a supposedly fat dude hit on her??
How pathetic is that?
Talk about a low self esteem. This girl is a pitiful example of a human being and I pity the poor f*ck who ever gets together with her. Talk about shallow.
I second that!Originally posted by Don Juanabbe
So some cheerleader needs to feel better about herself by bragging to all her friends that a supposedly fat dude hit on her??
How pathetic is that?
Talk about a low self esteem. This girl is a pitiful example of a human being and I pity the poor f*ck who ever gets together with her. Talk about shallow.
PuertoRican_Lover
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Give me a "F", give me a "A", give me a "T" - what does that spell? I think DJ trent is eating a salad at this very moment and looking in the mirror asking himself "Does these pants make me look fat?" 
Relas dude, you are probably smaller than 80% of women in America - and these fat hos are having babies - go figure!!!
Relas dude, you are probably smaller than 80% of women in America - and these fat hos are having babies - go figure!!!
Pettycoat Junction
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Thats terrible, sorry you had to go through that.
But for the record, 18-25 year old beautiful women can be trouble. They not only have very little life experience but their whole lives men have kissed their asses and eaten their **** while calling it chocolate (generalizations, but somewhat true). The point is, women like these are going to be somewhat rude since men have supplicated for them no matter how they acted. Not only that but due to their overwhelming looks and this culture they live in a world based heavily on superficiality (generalization again), where people are just objects and not individuals. Perhaps you should approach a different genre of woman.
As far as what you can do, I don't know. I have had women laugh at me behind my back, and I've made women feel alot better about themselves because some guy found them desirable enough to approach them out of the blue. I guess you just have to find a way to convince yourself that the punishment isn't worse than the reward.
What might help is to have a more meaningful conversation with women (did you just do fluff talk)? Find a way to make them feel like you view them as an individual by asking them some personal questions and actually listening to the answers and asking more follow up questions and some rhetorical questions. Its my view that if you treat a woman like an individual & listen to her she is more likely to view you as an individual too, and one of the main causes of sadism is viewing other people as objects and not people. Make her see you as a person and make her feel you see her as a person too.
But overall, your best bet is avoiding this genre of woman. Even if you get one there is a chance she'll be manipulative and constantly test you (generalization again).
Women with no life experience + men kissing their asses no matter how they act + living in a world filled with objectification and superficiality = bad news
If a woman ever did that to a friend of mine I'd rip her ******* apart and probably give her some kind of mental disorder in the process, I can be brutal with insults when I need to be.
But for the record, 18-25 year old beautiful women can be trouble. They not only have very little life experience but their whole lives men have kissed their asses and eaten their **** while calling it chocolate (generalizations, but somewhat true). The point is, women like these are going to be somewhat rude since men have supplicated for them no matter how they acted. Not only that but due to their overwhelming looks and this culture they live in a world based heavily on superficiality (generalization again), where people are just objects and not individuals. Perhaps you should approach a different genre of woman.
As far as what you can do, I don't know. I have had women laugh at me behind my back, and I've made women feel alot better about themselves because some guy found them desirable enough to approach them out of the blue. I guess you just have to find a way to convince yourself that the punishment isn't worse than the reward.
What might help is to have a more meaningful conversation with women (did you just do fluff talk)? Find a way to make them feel like you view them as an individual by asking them some personal questions and actually listening to the answers and asking more follow up questions and some rhetorical questions. Its my view that if you treat a woman like an individual & listen to her she is more likely to view you as an individual too, and one of the main causes of sadism is viewing other people as objects and not people. Make her see you as a person and make her feel you see her as a person too.
But overall, your best bet is avoiding this genre of woman. Even if you get one there is a chance she'll be manipulative and constantly test you (generalization again).
Women with no life experience + men kissing their asses no matter how they act + living in a world filled with objectification and superficiality = bad news
If a woman ever did that to a friend of mine I'd rip her ******* apart and probably give her some kind of mental disorder in the process, I can be brutal with insults when I need to be.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
tmpgstx
Master Don Juan
Well said! I've witnessed this first hand time and time again. These girls get their asses kissed so much it is pathetic, and it is by guys they like. They only go for popularity in sports or what have you. You can be Bradd Pitt (seriously) but if you're not popular, you don't get a second look. It's called the princess syndrome.
These girls are usually attention hos. They love the attention and their relationships are short (nothing long term), before bouncing to the next guy. If you come across serious in anyway, you're doomed. She'll string you along if she is attracted, but in the end it will be you telling her off (or should be!).
You don't want a girl like this, it will problem after problem. Some of them never grow up either and some are light years ahead in maturity than others in this age group (I know this too).
Read the tip in DJ bible section about attenion hos and how to spot them (by Pook i think). Some good tips.
MindOverMatter
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That's the stupidest advice I've ever heard. Just because you are happy with yourself doesn't mean you shouldn't improve, become better.
Christopher360
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Hi,
I'm new here. (I came over from another site at the invite of a guy starting a bootcamp...)
So, I might not have all the logic of this place down. But from the first post, this passage caught my eye:
Because it seems to me that if he's not feeling chemistry, then she's not feeling chemistry (that's what chemistry is, right?), so when he asks for her phone number, its a PRIDE thing, not an attraction thing. She gives him a false phone number and gossips to her friends because she quite can't articulate what's wrong with the situation but knows something wrong (the way he knew something was wrong). She got annoyed he kept after her even though it was clear he should have stopped already, and lashes out with gossip.
(Remember, we often don't know how to articulate these situations. His articulation of the situation, once he didn't feel chemistry, should have been, "Nice talking to you. Bye.")
As has been pointed out by others on this board, a 10 is not a 10 is not a 10. For me, a woman who doesn't care at all about movies or art is never going to be a 10, though thousands of men and women might think she's hot as all hell. At some point, we value people because of actual, specific, personal chemistry.
And if that chemistry isn't there, it's just not there. And if the guy keeps hammering on the girl (even just asking for a phone number) even when its clear the chemistry isn't there, she KNOWS -- even if she couldn't articulate it -- she's being chased as a piece-of-meat-pride-issue-trophy by a guy who's got something to prove. And she's going to be hurt, annoyed and insulted. (Again, even if she can't finger the specifics.)
So, guys. When the chemistry isn't there, no matter how cute she is on the outside, let her go. You're only pushing for trouble and trying to make something work that simply isn't going to work. You'll either end up in a situation like this guy, or waste three dates while thinking, "I should like her more." But there's no "should" about this stuff. Either you're connecting with someone, or your not.
The game isn't to meet a lot of women to hook up with all of them. Its to meet a lot of women to find the one's you want to hook up with.
Christopher
I'm new here. (I came over from another site at the invite of a guy starting a bootcamp...)
So, I might not have all the logic of this place down. But from the first post, this passage caught my eye:
Now, I don't know about you all, but when I saw the words, "I don't really feel a great deal of chemistry," I'm thinking, "So, that means it's time to leave, right?"
Because it seems to me that if he's not feeling chemistry, then she's not feeling chemistry (that's what chemistry is, right?), so when he asks for her phone number, its a PRIDE thing, not an attraction thing. She gives him a false phone number and gossips to her friends because she quite can't articulate what's wrong with the situation but knows something wrong (the way he knew something was wrong). She got annoyed he kept after her even though it was clear he should have stopped already, and lashes out with gossip.
(Remember, we often don't know how to articulate these situations. His articulation of the situation, once he didn't feel chemistry, should have been, "Nice talking to you. Bye.")
As has been pointed out by others on this board, a 10 is not a 10 is not a 10. For me, a woman who doesn't care at all about movies or art is never going to be a 10, though thousands of men and women might think she's hot as all hell. At some point, we value people because of actual, specific, personal chemistry.
And if that chemistry isn't there, it's just not there. And if the guy keeps hammering on the girl (even just asking for a phone number) even when its clear the chemistry isn't there, she KNOWS -- even if she couldn't articulate it -- she's being chased as a piece-of-meat-pride-issue-trophy by a guy who's got something to prove. And she's going to be hurt, annoyed and insulted. (Again, even if she can't finger the specifics.)
So, guys. When the chemistry isn't there, no matter how cute she is on the outside, let her go. You're only pushing for trouble and trying to make something work that simply isn't going to work. You'll either end up in a situation like this guy, or waste three dates while thinking, "I should like her more." But there's no "should" about this stuff. Either you're connecting with someone, or your not.
The game isn't to meet a lot of women to hook up with all of them. Its to meet a lot of women to find the one's you want to hook up with.
Christopher
Scrumtulescence
Master Don Juan
I remember in junior high there was this one girl, Julie Lynn, who I thought was the cutest goddamn girl ever. I had a HUGE crush on her for months. I eventually had the, uhh, courage...to ask my friend to ask her if she liked me, lol. Apparantly all she said was "what, that ugly butt?"
It hurt my ego big time, but in retrospect, I shouldn't have taken it seriously at all. What she said didn't really have anything to do with how she really felt about my physical appearance; it was just an easy way to respond negatively and harshly to a situation she didn't like and a guy she probably thought was pathetic. I know this because as it turns out, lots of girls back then thought I was "cute", and I'm a really good looking guy.
Don't take what she said to heart too much.
It hurt my ego big time, but in retrospect, I shouldn't have taken it seriously at all. What she said didn't really have anything to do with how she really felt about my physical appearance; it was just an easy way to respond negatively and harshly to a situation she didn't like and a guy she probably thought was pathetic. I know this because as it turns out, lots of girls back then thought I was "cute", and I'm a really good looking guy.
Don't take what she said to heart too much.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.