"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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A girl I approached last week told me she wanted to get to know me better?

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Hello, I decided I want to do something at the least with a girl that I approached last week. I approached her in the cafeteria and asked a couple questions and then sat down and ate lunch with her last week. Afterward, she said she was glad that I did this.
Today, I see her this morning, and after some small talk, I decide to ask "Do you want to do something sometime?", and she said she wanted to get to know me better first. Then she asked for my age, and she was happy with that.
So did I go for the close too soon? I really have no idea when is the best time to close with women. I really have been wanting a women over for a while, so maybe that small bit of neediness came out in this early close attempt. Either way, what should I have done, and what should I expect of this situation?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I think she already has an impression of who you are since you guys already sat down to have a talk...

so this means you have talked to her in person long enough for her to make an impression of you

and it seems that she is not attracted to you, since she is using the excuse of "getting to get to know you first"

sounds like an excuse to me... plus you only mentioned a non-threatening "lets do something sometime" which has no pressure on it...

and she declined.

low interest buddy, you can try and ask her again sometime later, but at this point she is not attracted to you
 

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pipe007 said:
I think she already has an impression of who you are since you guys already sat down to have a talk...

so this means you have talked to her in person long enough for her to make an impression of you

and it seems that she is not attracted to you, since she is using the excuse of "getting to get to know you first"

sounds like an excuse to me... plus you only mentioned a non-threatening "lets do something sometime" which has no pressure on it...

and she declined.

low interest buddy, you can try and ask her again sometime later, but at this point she is not attracted to you
What would be a question with pressure in it?
It doesn't matter if she does or doesn't want to do anything with me. I want to eliminate my options(through rejection or acceptance) with all the girls I've developed rapport with the past few weeks. But if everyone rejects me, it won't be easy. But rejection is the road to success, so a short time of questioning my self-worth isn't a bad thing. I've spread my approaches through different races, groups, clicks, etc... so I'll see what happens. I'm white and she is black so she may prefer someone different. I don't know. :)
 

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Deicide said:
What would be a question with pressure in it?
What he said (something with pressure in it) was a polite way of not telling you that the way you asked her out was totally wussy and un-masculine.
"lets do something sometime"
This was just a wussy way to ask a woman out and women don't like wussy men. She was probably wondering what that "something" was and when that "sometime" would be.

Something with "pressure in it" is as simple as asking a woman out to the movies. She knows full well it's a date, if she accepts it's because she likely finds you attractive enough to go out with, is currently single and you're good enough as a possible bf. It's up to you to bring your A game to that date and work on attracting her and showing you're boyfriend material.

Never ask a woman "do you want to" do this/that. Don't make her decide how the date is going to go down that's your job. It makes you look weak and un-masculine. Women let us men make the first move and show them a good time rather than them being the leaders and deciding on what to do/where to go.

It's not to hard

"I'm going to the movies on saturday wanna join?"
"I'm heading downtown on saturday wanna join?"

as simple as the two above are they are more direct than the stuff you said.
 

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f283000 said:
What he said (something with pressure in it) was a polite way of not telling you that the way you asked her out was totally wussy and un-masculine.

This was just a wussy way to ask a woman out and women don't like wussy men. She was probably wondering what that "something" was and when that "sometime" would be.

Something with "pressure in it" is as simple as asking a woman out to the movies. She knows full well it's a date, if she accepts it's because she likely finds you attractive enough to go out with, is currently single and you're good enough as a possible bf. It's up to you to bring your A game to that date and work on attracting her and showing you're boyfriend material.

Never ask a woman "do you want to" do this/that. Don't make her decide how the date is going to go down that's your job. It makes you look weak and un-masculine. Women let us men make the first move and show them a good time rather than them being the leaders and deciding on what to do/where to go.

It's not to hard

"I'm going to the movies on saturday wanna join?"
"I'm heading downtown on saturday wanna join?"

as simple as the two above are they are more direct than the stuff you said.
Ok, I got advice from an online friend I talk to that never goes on dates with women but ends up having sex with multiple women on a regular basis. He said asking for a date was bad. And, if I could get a girl coming over my apartment on a regular basis, it could lead to something good. I have a lot of work to do since I've never been on a date before, and I'm playing catch-up with what I should've known and done years ago.
What I had in mind, was me going over her apartment, trying to escalate things. I'll keep this in perspective though because I'd like to do something with a woman before the year's over with. I'm 22, but I've improved a lot more than I used to be concerning women. I'm just far from where I need to be. I appreciate the advice.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Deicide said:
Ok, I got advice from an online friend I talk to that never goes on dates with women but ends up having sex with multiple women on a regular basis. He said asking for a date was bad. And, if I could get a girl coming over my apartment on a regular basis, it could lead to something good.
You could just say

"wanna come watch a movie at my place"

The point of my post was to basically point out how bad "lets do something sometime" was in the way that it totally lacked directness and purpose.
 
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