"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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A girl, her friends, and me. (HELP!)

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I've got passed the PU and Attraction phase with this cute girl, and even had a good first date, but there's a serious relationship barrier that I need some opinions and advice on.

The thing is, she's an international student, and all of them from the same country stick together in school. They do it not out of shyness, but because they feel exclusive and are very protective of each other.

Actually, I have no problem with that. I'm not the possessive type who needs to be with her all the time. What's bugging me is that she doesn't dare to talk or even look at me when she's with this group of friends.

I get the feeling her countrymates don't like me much, and also because this guy from her country likes her too and they're trying to "keep her in".

So, we only get to talk in the one class that her friends are not part of, and on the phone. We had our first date last Sun, and will be having another this weekend.

Now, I would never accept this underground romance BS from a local girl. However, to be fair, it's not easy for a foreign girl to leave home and study overseas all alone, and it's reasonable for her to want to be part of that support network.

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So, as the man in the relationship, I want to resolve this issue so we can progress on. My assessment is that there's no benefit in forcefully "pulling her out" of the circle as negative as they are.

I would prefer to win them over, but they're so impenetrable and conceited. I don't want to appear desperate to "get into their good books" or "obtain approval".

What should I do? Help and much thanks!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Also, the girl in point is really young in both age and life experience.

I would have her solve it herself if she was someone older and able to make her own stand.

However, since I'm the man and want to progress the relationship, some work has to be done. :rolleyes:
 

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It doesn't make you seem desperate with a goal in mind to get into her friend's "Good books."

Just don't make it outright obvious you're trying to impress or please them. It's all about strong social communications and building rapport with each and one of them individually.

Start with one girl, then another. If you catch one of her friends alone, smile, and try to establish rapport. Then, slowly work your way down the list.

If you try to win the collective all at once, try treating them out for a round of drinks. :)
 

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Ah yes, winning them over one at a time. Thanks! Does anyone else have any opinions on this relationship?
 
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