A game to get a woman Vs. game to keep a woman?

[EyeOnThePrize]

Game to get a woman is what you do to make her fall in love. Promise her everything, be polite, be respectful, love her friends, love her family, etc, etc, etc.

One you get what you want from her, i.e. sex or marriage or a child, then you can act differently because you got what you want from her. She already bought so now she can’t do anything. The money is in your account.

this has to be one of the most cucky things i've read on this forum. it's so weak and wrong it makes me cringe.

you don't change your character just to get a girl. you don't go into a relationship looking to get something. you go in to give from abundance, and THAT is where your power is. choosing who is blessed with your abundance and how much of it they get. everything you get from a relationship is a bonus that you could throw away at any moment, that's how you remain centered and able to walk. that strength is what will attract her to begin with.

 

[RangerMIke]

I really don't like the term 'game', what many call game is just behaving like a man, and avoiding behavior that makes you come off as a woman.

There really is not difference between getting and keeping a woman accept, if you are going to try and make a relationship work, you have to give and take more. The other difference is that when you are dating, you need to date around, actually see other women on dates. When you are committed, then you can't do this, but what you have to do is make sure your relationship chick knows you have options if sh!t goes sideways.... this really isn't hard to do.... all you have to do is keep grinding and being the best man you can be... and other chicks will find you attractive.

The kiss of death in any relationship is when your chick's friends start telling her that YOU, the man, is lucky to have her. This is chick-speak for "Honey, you can do better than that guy."

 

[rjc149]

what you have to do is make sure your relationship chick knows you have options if sh!t goes sideways.... this really isn't hard to do.... all you have to do is keep grinding and being the best man you can be... and other chicks will find you attractive.

This is true in concept, that being the most attractive version of yourself will convey abundance in and of itself. But this can't turn into rubbing other women, or the possibility of other women, in your woman's face. You do run the risk of emotionally alienating your woman if she feels like just another replaceable 'plate' competing for your affection. She will simply move on if she feels your relationship isn't growing closer at a point where she expects more closeness. If she feels powerless and meaningless in your relationship, she will do what she can to regain some balance in the power and hedge herself -- usually by entertaining other offers herself.

The ideal is to make her feel special, but from a mindset of abundance and detachment. You must be okay with the possibility of being your best self, putting your best foot forward in the relationship, and her leaving you anyways. Most relationships were not meant to work out and most women are not going to be compatible with you long-term regardless of how attractive you are.

 

[sazc]

If you have a functioning and secure woman, and you rub the idea that you have 'options' into her face, eventualy she is going to leave you, for all the reasons started above.

If you have a dysfunctional woman, and you rub the fact that you have 'options' into her face, she will absolutely chase you. She will embrace the emotional fluctuations and they will cause her to chase you, and cater to you, in an effort to get you to choose her. These same emotional fluctuations will also cause you eventual he11.

 

[zekko]

If you have a functioning and secure woman, and you rub the idea that you have 'options' into her face, eventualy she is going to leave you, for all the reasons started above.

You shouldn't rub it in her face, but women should intuitively know that he has options. When I say options, I don't mean other plates he's spinning, I mean that there are other women who are attracted to him. She should know that. Like @RangerMIke said, if her girlfriends are telling her she can do better, or that he's lucky to have her, that's not so good. If her friends are envious of her, that suggests he would have options.

I hate game playing, but I sometimes flirt with girls when I am out with my girlfriend. Just a bit, nothing overt or disrespectful. Just get a girl laughing or talking a bit, enough to show that other girls might find me charming. This is something I would do anyway - I just do it to have some fun and be sociable, not to DHV, but it ends up having that effect anyway.

 

[AttackFormation]

You shouldn't rub it in her face, but women should intuitively know that he has options. When I say options, I don't mean other plates he's spinning, I mean that there are other women who are attracted to him. She should know that.

I don't think you have to do anything in particular to convey this. If a woman is with you because she wants you, then she's already going to assume and imagine other women also wanting you. At least that's my experience. All you have to think about is keeping yourself and your life in the same or better shape as when she got attracted to you, which is what you'd do for yourself anyway.

 

[sazc]

Unfortunately @zekko the majority of ss members will take the idea of making sure she "sees you have options" legitimately. That's the wrong word, but brain fart atm

Subtle flirting will also reveal your partners self esteem. I'm a naturally happy and engaging person, which has nothing to do with flirting yet I've had multiple boyfriends
accuse me of openly flirting because of my general disposition. I recognize it's their character flaw, but it's not a recoverable situation. I assume that would be that same for the woman.

I would never subtly flirt with anyone in front of my s.o. as a matter of respect.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I'm surprised you haven't got the old "You treat that dog better than me" line, lol.

I have. Some thought they were "competing" with it, haha.

Bella my Doberman is honestly (and sadly) more fun to hang out with than 90% of the women I meet.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I don't mean other plates he's spinning, I mean that there are other women who are attracted to him.

I'm out on a date just last Friday night with a hot girl 20+ years my junior. We're at this cool hotel bar outside on the patio by the sidewalk and this woman walking by on the sidewalk stops, stares at me for a few seconds and says, "You have the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. You must get that 12 times a day." I grin and say thank you and no I don't get that 12 times a day, but maybe 6. She laughs. Then she looks at my date and says "I'm not trying to hit on him (right...lol), but just had to say something." She gives me a big smile and keeps walking. My date looked shocked. I pretend nothing happened and go back to our conversation.

That night, she (my date) came back to my place and we took porno to a new level, no s*hit. lol

 

[zekko]

Bella my Doberman is honestly (and sadly) more fun to hang out with than 90% of the women I meet.

Not that sad really. Pets have a certain type of unconditional affection that's very simple, without extra drama.
That's hard for humans to match on some levels.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I was reading the other thread and our member marmel75 replied that "The game used to get a woman is not the game used to keep a woman."

Now, I'm still improving my getting a woman game, what do you think is the main difference between the two?

I disagree COMPLETELY WITH ^^^ABOVE SENTIMENT.

GET GIRLS. moreover, get a life. Chase excellence. The pursuit of baeeeees is sport. At best, its whatever.

Your getting a girl. If she gets out of pocket, you go get more girls.

If you want to moralize, dont cheat. Seed you can lol

this has to be one of the most cucky things i've read on this forum. it's so weak and wrong it makes me cringe.

you don't change your character just to get a girl. you don't go into a relationship looking to get something. you go in to give from abundance, and THAT is where your power is. choosing who is blessed with your abundance and how much of it they get. everything you get from a relationship is a bonus that you could throw away at any moment, that's how you remain centered and able to walk. that strength is what will attract her to begin with.

+ 1

I see relationships more like a lease. I have no attachments to it. I enjoy it but, its got a timeline. Then, onto the next one.

The common thing is female hypergamy and nature. I think the solution is to speed up the process by extreme exposure. Take nothing to heart.

Its a process. You can learn. I have seen some stuff and I avoid the trouble myself.

 

[kirt]

According to Coach Red Pill (you can find his video at Youtube), you need 3 things you need to get a hold a woman:

1. Psychological security. They want to be led and you must always be assertive and confident about where you're leading. Both in marco level like life in general, and on mirco level like being decisive in everyday life.
2. Physical protection. Yes, gym but weirdly enough, it is also measured by how well you fcuk her and get what you want in sex from her.
3. Material security. At least enough for a house and kids.

According to Rich Cooper (he also have a video at "Entrepreneurs on cars" channel at Youtube) it's basically down to 3 P's: Provide, Protect, Procreate. But he also cited a long study, where there was a list, sorted by priority:

1. Good genes indicators (physically attractive, sex appeal, fit). Most important.
2. Good resource acquisition indicators (older that herself)
3. Good parenting indicators (home and shelter, emotionally stable, likes children)
4. Good partner indicators (loving partner, devoted, loyal). Least important, but still important.

In that video he also had weights for each indicator which I cannot cite right away. So,basically, these are the way you should invest into the relationship, both emotionally and materially, while during the seduction you should invest as little as possible (if at all).

Also, there is a thing as Comfort Test. Unlike Sh!t Tests, you pass them by showing a some Beta behavior but in VERY LIMITED way. You can google the examples of passing the Comfort Test. Basically, they are only used in LTR after many months of relationship, so yeah, they are absolutely irrelevant for seduction game.

You can also check out Rollo Tomassi's blog "The Rational Male", he has the article called "Your Friend Menstruation" where you can read how to better predict if she wants you to be a bit more Beta or just sh!t-testing you right now, according to her period's phase. Being able to have options is also essential, but don't spin plates or cheat to keep your LTR, lol. Women don't want a boyfriend who cheat, they want a boyfriend you could cheat. There are several articles by Tomassi called "Dread Games" where the Game is based on this "could cheat" principle. There are even Soft Dread and Overt Dread, just like there is Direct Game and Indirect Game in seduction. Read his blog. They guy went from PUA to 20 year happy and committed marriage.

There are also other factors of Game that are still very relevant in LTR. For example. there should be no jealousy, no neediness, no sacrifices your time with friends, no sacrifices of your interests and hobbies, no forgiving attitude to her bad behavior, not buying into her provocations (sh!t tests never end), no being too emotional etc. These became especially important in the critical moments of your LTR when the balance of power might be shifted. Those moments include:

1. One of you getting a promotion.
2. Her getting a new job. (Suddenly getting more attention from other guys. Or the new handsome guy at her work. Or the new boss trying the get in her pants. You name it.)
3. Critical moment in your life. (You losing your job, money getting tight, you feeling weak. God forbid you trying to get support from your woman, even emotional. No, keep strong and assertive even if everything goes to hell. Remember, always err on the side of confidence.)
4. Long periods of routine life. No new emotions, no new adventures, only a range of very predictable nights at home in front of TV and sex after. Familiarity breeds contempt.
5. You yielding after a big fight, trying to be a Peacekeeper. Losing the Frame.
6. Temporarily switching to LDR (Avoid at all cost).
7. Her being way too dominated for a very long time. The moment you let her loose a bit she might try to take revenge.
8. other

And last but not least, her social circles! Women are way more susceptible to social influence of her friends and her family, so watch who she hangs around with. It's your job to cut her away from single wh0res she used to party with, as well as from her divorced mom full of "good advice for her happiness", and it's your job to support her friendship with married girls or girls in LTRs.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

You just described game after saying there is no game. Guys stop dating their wives in its simplest form. Yes perusing excellence is always on the table but there is always the part if you leave her alone enough perusing your excellence someone else will occupy her time. I see this as a balance.

The game of life maybe. When I hear game I think strategy. In this sense OP asked if there are two different strategies to getting a woman and keeping a woman. I'm saying the only strategy to worry about is self improvement and open communication. If I like a woman's company I'll do things with her. If we're in a relationship and she feels neglected and expresses it then I'll work with her. She may leave anyway. She may leave without ever bringing it up and I may not notice her distancing herself. If I do things for her or with her for the sole reason of keeping her then I'm coming from a place of scarcity and fear. I do things with her because I enjoy giving her the gift of my time. I may look up date or present ideas, but only if I'm doing so unconditionally. Doing things just to keep her will only lead to resenting her.

Maybe you're referring to charm or communication style. But this manifests naturally as a result of self improvement and genuine unconditional interest in the other person. Any laborious effort to appear different or please the other is a dangerous game. Put yourself out there and accept whatever comes back. Anything else is needy conditional behavior that leads to acrimony.

 

[Who Dares Win]

You make things more complicate than what they already are OP, while men have girls good enough to bang but worthless as wifes, most women would have a LTR relationships with the guys they consider worth enough to have sex with given the opportunity.

What is enough to get intimacy from a girl is usually enough to get a relationship out of it, except for movies there are no girls that say "yeah that guy is hot and I like to give myself to him but would not spend time with him".

Its guys who say "that girl is hot but she is dumb as fvck, nothing worth more that blowing my load on".

You can see that in the fact that guys would bang most girls but marry very few, girls would marry few guys too but would also get railed from few guys...most of the time for them the two groups coincide.

 

[Epic Days]

I was reading the other thread and our member marmel75 replied that "The game used to get a woman is not the game used to keep a woman."

Now, I'm still improving my getting a woman game, what do you think is the main difference between the two?

You don’t keep a woman. A woman stays because it’s advantageous for her to stay. I think you are asking the wrong question.
The entire frame is off, worded this way. It suggests that having a woman and keeping her as a purpose or a goal is the aim. Well that doesn’t work.

Maybe worded like this would be more specific:

“What kind of man do I need to become where I am coveted by a woman and she stays with me because it’s advantageous for her?”