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A first attempt and a question

darkstone

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I've been reading this site for a while, learning what I could. When I found this site I had already been in a relationship and well I thought I had made some mistakes in asking the girl out and made some bad moves during the relationship. I wasn't sure because I had nothing to base it on but this site helped me out.

One of my main problems is approaching new people. Approaching new people in general always makes me nervous and approaching cute girls, well I'd say I'm pretty much boned when I do that. When I apporach people I try to make a joke. If they laugh at it I can be more comfortable because I like making jokes and things like that. Now when I approach girls, my mind kind of blanks out. I'm working on solving this, it just takes time. So, I've been thinking about meeting some girls but I could never muster the confidence to do so but ....

This Sunday I went to an Italian Festival. I came with the idea to eat some italian food. When I was eating the idea came to meet some girls. Me being my coward self, I was thinking I shouldn't bother. But my Don Juan Self, told that part to shove it and so I went.

I found a group of girls. A problem came to head. "How the hell do you approach a group of girls?" I then thought, to hell with over thinking and I went over to them. This is the whole conversation

Me: Hello, Are you enjoying the festival?

Them: Nods head.

Me: My name is M******, what's yours?

Them: Shakes head

I assumed the head shaking was a rejection, that and the fact they did not say a word.

I've been thinking about what I may have did or said wrong. I'm stumped.

Any pointers?
 

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Dude, It sounds like you might think you should be a gentlemen with women. Common misconception with new guys.
Look in the pick up world you can't just be polite then they will fall in love with you, you have to have confidence, and be interesting.

Read the DJ Bible openers section. Then you have to learn how to ingrain this attitude of "impress me" or I am the prize.
I bet you put women up on a pedastal which seems like a good plan but it just doesn't work.

You probably knew most of that but just in case I told you.

Okay how to open a girl:
1) Walk up slow and smoothly, not fast and fidgety(confidence)
2)Don't directly face the girl. This is so your bodylanguage shows you are not needy and hitting on them.
3)Use a situational opener. Find some canned ones until you can make your own up.
Ex:Be talking to your friend and be like no way and kinda hover by then snap back at the chick and be like "whos cooler superman or batman?" Stupid stuff like that works better if you have higher value. Then argue with whatever she picks. lines like Oh you would like superman etc are key.

from there you build value attract, comfort qualify and sexual state.

Aka VACQS - credit td.

hope this helps let me know if your confused.
 

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Maybe they didn't speak english?

Good job on forcing yourself. We all need a kick in the ass from time to time.
 

darkstone

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Originally posted by Balanced
Dude, It sounds like you might think you should be a gentlemen with women. Common misconception with new guys.
eh, I know that you don't have to be a perfect gentlemen but all my life I've heard my mom and my aunt and grandmother saying you should act like a gentlemen among girls. I've heard it so much, it's ingrained in my head.

Originally posted by Balanced
I bet you put women up on a pedastal which seems like a good plan but it just doesn't work.
Women's **** doesn't smell any different then mine, i.e. they are just the same as me. If I'm not up on a pedastal then neither are they.

Originally posted by Balanced
Okay how to open a girl:
1) Walk up slow and smoothly, not fast and fidgety(confidence)
2)Don't directly face the girl. This is so your bodylanguage shows you are not needy and hitting on them.
3)Use a situational opener. Find some canned ones until you can make your own up.
Ex:Be talking to your friend and be like no way and kinda hover by then snap back at the chick and be like "whos cooler superman or batman?" Stupid stuff like that works better if you have higher value. Then argue with whatever she picks. lines like Oh you would like superman etc are key.
Alright, I got # 1 down. I know I had confidence walking over. I did directly face the girl so that's a mistake.

I'm working on remembering some lines to use and when I was out hitting on them, I was doing all of it alone. I need to find a wingman. -_-
 

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once you get it a convo going, I recomend inserting an inside joke. There so easy and make it simple to open girls again and again. Make up some ghetto handshakes and show them how to do them.

Then use chick crack, it makes chicks attracted to you.

I got it off Masf but am not sure who posted it.

INTRO:

WhiteDragonPUA (Eddy) and I always joke that **** like the CUBE, handwriting analysis, strawberry-fields, and palmreading, is CRACK for chicks.

We call it "CHICK-CRACK".

They HAVE TO KNOW what stupid **** you can tell them about themselves, based on something ARBITRARY. I know Eddy has used this to bait chicks into isolation on MANY occassions, extracting all sorts of things from them in exchange for whatever fabricated information he's willing to spew at them.

THEY-HAVE-TO-KNOW.

So what is the reasoning behind this???

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THE BACKGROUND:

QUICK REVIEW (this stuff is to the best of my recollection, and its been a long time since I read 'The Sexual Key'.. this is the main USEFUL part of it):

As explained in "The Sexual Key", men like LINEAR progress, women like INTERNAL progress.

MEN:

Goal -> Goal -> Accomplishment

"I got the scholarship." - "I don't have to work this summer." - "I have more time to pick up chicks."

THE PAYOFF IS THE RESULT ("more time" in this case)

WOMEN:


---->---goal-->--------->-------

|

/--->----goal---->--------- V

^ \ |

| | |

^ accomplishment------/ V

| |

\---goal-------<--goal----<----/



"I got the scholarship." - "That validated my choices." - "That showed me that I truly do have academic potential." - "That made me feel incredible because it showed me more about myself."

THE PAYOFF IS THE EMOTION, THAT RESULTED FROM A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF HERSELF, AND DISCOVERING HER *UNKNOWN/HIDDEN POTENTIALS*. (in this case, her academic abilities)

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THE TACTIC:

How to encorporate this into a more high-impact, or possibly a GROUP SET???

MINI-COLD-READS, ****y-playful, peppered into your SET.

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EXAMPLES OF MINI-COLD-READS:

-"you're bad"
-"oooohhhh noooo.. you guys are *trouble*"
-"you guys are the nice ones.. I can only hang with you.."
-(for when she answers that she is NOT adventurous, during Swingcat qualifying)
"yeah.. you're more quiet.. like Velma from Scoobie Doo.. you're smart,.. and
you *solve mysteries*"
-"I don't know about you.. I have a x-feeling about you.."
-"there's something suspicious going on here... I'm not sure what, but I can
just feel it"
-"you guys are *fiesty*.. like little powerpuff girls"
-"you are *crazzzzzy*"
-"I can't trust you guys"
-"ok, I can trust you now.. you guys are *IN*.. you're trustworthy"
-"you're my new bestfriend" (while caveman-ing her.. making the link from her letting you grab her, to her being your new best friend.. it makes NO SENSE whatsoever, but makes PERFECT sense to HER)
-"that-is-*awesome*.. you're gonna be my NEW GIRLFRIEND" (after something ARBITRARY, like a line in her palm, or showing you a cool tatoo or something equally stupid, but is somehow DERIVED from something she showed you...)
-"you guys are like crime-fighters"
-"you guys are total bad-girls"
-"you're the leader"
-"you guys are A-Crowd material" (after she says something ****y to you)
-"dude, these girls are obviously VERY adventurous"


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GUY LOGIC VS. CHICK LOGIC:

GUY LOGIC:
A) X = X

B) X-characteristic = X-related-quality

C) you are carrying a gun and have 100,000$ cash in a briefcase = you are
probably a bad person"

D) "This guy's got a gun and a briefcase.. he's probably bad"


CHICK LOGIC:
A) X = Y

B) X-characteristic = Y-unrelated-quality

C) you are stupid girls sitting in a club looking around with a stupid look on
your face (that I can SAY I think looks 'bad', even though it doesn't really
look like ANYTHING) = you are BADGIRLS

D) "these girls have a fiesty look in their eyes.. they are BADGIRLS"

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MORE DETAILED EXAMPLES OF THE PROCESS:

Ask an arbitrary question. "Do girls think that David Bowie is hot?", "Do you think I would look good if I died my hair ALL BLONDE?", "Do you think that spells work?", etc etc etc

REGARDLESS of her answer, PLAYFULLY-MISINTERPRET this as evidence that she is a "bad-girl".

-"ooooohhhh nooooo... ooooohhh noooo.. you just like David Bowie because he's total GLAM.. it's always BADGIRLS that like that.. you're bad, FOR SURE.."

-"oooh nooo.. my friend with BLONDE HAIR??? oh no, dude DO NOT listen to this girl, SHE-IS-BAD... look at the smile on her face.. dude, she is FIESTY.. do
NOT listen to this girl.. she has bad-girl written ALL OVER HER.."

-"spells? spells? oh no dude, we can't talk to this girl.. she's bad.. she-is-BAD.. look at the knowing grin on her.. she knows her stuff... I don't even KNOW what this girl could be up to.."

SAME THING when you have NOTHING to go on.. Just pick an ARBITRARY quality on
her.. Her clothes, her smile, her aloofness, WHATEVER..

-"dude, LOOK at this girl.. LOOOOOOK.. see it in her eyes??? She is BAD.."

-"oh man, LOOK at the necklace on her.. oh man, this girl is FIESTY.. she is PLAYFUL.. she is ADVENTUROUS.. I *KNOW* girls like this.."

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GROUP DYNAMICS - HOW TO USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE:

-Choose your target. If you call her "FIESTY", then try saying it to her FRIENDS.. "This one is FIESTY, isn't she???" This disarms the friends, similarly to Mystery's technique of OPENING off of the ugliest person in the peer group. You are ADDRESSING the group, and you are NOT hitting on the friend in the "normal" way.

People may recall that I took an HB8.5 right off her DATE, using this technique. ("is she always tricky like this?? does she always do this?? she is FIESTY isn't she?", to the GUY she was on a date with.. he was DISARMED, and she was AROUSED.. a combo that works for you in MULTIPLE ways, simultaneously)

-Play the mini-cold-reads OFF OF eachother. "she IS bad.. you guys are the NICE ones (to the obstacles)... I can only hang with you guys.. you guys are safe.. this girl is BAD (to the target).."

This gets the little LSE obstacles thinking that you're nice, and DISARMS what you're doing to their friend (your target).

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CONCLUSION - CHICK LOGIC AS SEEN IN SOAP OPERAS:

Want to see stupid **** like this IN ACTION?? Check out a stupid soap-opera, like "Passions" or "Days of our Lives".

You'll notice that its *saturated* in STUPID ****, like:

-"Billy got trapped in the snowstorm, and now he can never find his true love with Lucette.. could the snowstorm really interfere with them finding the potential of their true love?!?!?!"

-"Patricia got a fake palm-reading because Janet hired a fake to trick her into thinking that Bo is her true love, and not Ethan.. Will Patricia ever really find true happiness?"

-"Melissa hired a street-thug to SWITCH the paternity tests, so that she could be with Jake, even though its really not his son.. Now Jake will have to be with HER, and Crystal will never fulfill the love that she had with Jake, all because of this terrible trickery!"

-"Allen slipped DRUGS into Alicia's drink, WITHOUT HER KNOWING.. now she's a drug-addict, and a prostitute.. a total BADGIRL.. and its not her fault!"


THIS IS WHAT GIRLS ARE *ADDICTED* TO.

**** where X = Y, and it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, except through LEAPS of logic. There has to be SOME logic to it, but since its CHICK-LOGIC, there is no actual SOUNDNESS required.

You can generate this CRACK FOR CHICKS in the field, by making ILLOGICAL conclusions, that some particular quality leads to some EXCITING characteristic about them, that they weren't aware of, but maybe had fantasized at some point that they had.

Just pepper it in there, and watch as they CAN'T stop talking to you.

Then, use MYSTERY METHOD to EXPLOIT the social-proof, throw negs, and isolate.

Or just use it to suck a lonewolf into a convo, during a street sarge. It's useful in many areas.


aka: money, good luck
 

Brazilian_Blues_Boy

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I know it sounds f*cking canned, but just f*cking do it man.
There are no formulas. If you're going to be a slave of canned lines, you'll never be much, you'll never learn with your mistakes.

I have been both successfull and unsuccessfull when I just got there and did it, or thought: "What would karate kid say now?"

LOL, and that's serious, my thoughts...

Today I feel hard on the floor, I said the girl's name out loud and told her I wanted to talk to her... she simply ignored. That's cool by me, it's a f*cking game, if you're going to hit the sunshine girls you'll have to face it. Yes. There were people around. 4 guys, kept looking at me. So what, screw them !

It's actually funny, to think that the girl prefered to stay talking to those guys, because they're acquaintances of an acquaintance, and very loser. Don't want to let the ego take control in here, but it's common knowledge, women do settle down for less with their male friends and future bfs...

Remember that, she'll probably settle down with a guy that's uglier and more boring than you, so go up there and do it brother... you ain't got nothing to lose. Lay your ego down on the line. Be embarassed, be ashamed.

Have the whole school look and laugh at you !! Do it man !!
If you can't be happy with yourself when everyone tries to put you down, it's not a f*cking girl that's going to bring you piece of mind...she'll sparkle even more your insecurities.

Go there and do it man ! Our forefathers didn't have sosuave.com, SS, or any routine bullsh!t, and, guess what, mankind survived and grew...

BBB
 
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