"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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a bit long but need some expert help..

wildleopard

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hey everyone..

ive got another girl with some kinda issues in front of you to comment on..
well.. let me tell you from the start.. i saw this chick [indian hb5 - somewhat fat but very attractive] and rather than waste the eye contact, i talked to her.. and ended up getting her number at the end of the train trip..

anyway.. before you ask me why im wasting time with a hb5, its better to get some azz rather than wank.. isnt it.. well this girl showed lot of interest..

but now im thinking she's got some issues or something.. on the first day she did return my texts.. but she had 2 days when she didnt reply.. and when i called her after the weekend.. she said she was expecting me to ask her out on the weekend.. well i said i was working.. and everything was good.. and i saw her the next day at the station and it was very touchy feely stuff.. hugging, holding hands, etc.. everything but not kissing yet.. so this was high interest..

but ever since then.. she's been strange.. and when i ask her if she's coming to the station.. she doesnt reply.. and once i waited for her for 40 mins and she arrived (ofcourse no reply to texts or calls) with a girl friend and gestured that she'll talk to me in a bit.. i knew where her friend got off on the train.. and i knew she got off on my station.. and when i got off, she was no where.. and when i texted her, i got a reply after 20 mins saying she's already on a train home without realizing i had been waiting for her for like an hour..

anyway.. i had enuff of this bull and the next day she came on the station and tho i acknowledged her.. i didnt even go near her and stayed with a pal of mine who i was talking to.. i made no intentions that i wanted to be near her and didnt text or call her.. and i get a text from her after a day saying she was sorry about that day.. anyway, i was perplexed but thot she's just crazy and all i wanted was a lay from her basically.. so i called her again after that and arranged to meet that evening and she says shes got a friend whos picking her up in a car and she cant cancel that coz she hasnt seen her friend for a long time.. anyway i still sent her a text that i wud be at the station at a certain time so see me..

however, as i was walking to the station, i saw that b1tch running towards the platform and basically hiding somewhere near the end of the platform apparently avoiding me before i arrive so she could just board the train from the other end.. and she didnt know that i had seen her.. and the friend she was with was her normal workmate.. i had somehow been travelling in the same carriage as her but hiding from her so she could continue to think she has avoided me.. and when i got off at the station i shocked the life out of her when i alighted from the same carriage.. i can tell you she couldnt meet my eyes.. i left the same instant i met her as my train was here..

straight after i leave.. i get a message from her asking where i was.. well i replied and asked her about the games she's been playing and what does she actually want.. i didnt get any response but i didnt say anything else either.. and now on the weekend she texts, come to so and so club and we are still friends.. i asked her the details of whats happening at the club.. and tried to call her.. but still no reply.. anyway i replied back that i cant come unless you respond to my calls..

well.. the summary is that this b1tch has some serious issues and she thinks she can take me for a ride.. and shes not a hb.. and im looking for a quick lay.. have been dry for a lot of time now.. i dont wanna act desperate so im acting cool.. but do you guys think im wasting any chances or can you advise how i should proceed?

i know youre gonna say there are other babes to fcuk but i know shes an easy one.. esp after that day where she basically wanted me to do her but didnt say..

thanks for reading my long story..

mark
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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j0n024

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Ya I think you fvcked up by waiting to long but ohh well it's life and she isnt really a HB like you say, I think you should just wait for her to open you (NOT TEXTS but real life) she goes up to you and starts talking to you I think you should bust her balls about how she has to make it up to you about her lying and sh1t and that you wanna see her that night and get to fvcking then blow her off. IF she gives you more resistance then forget her she isnt worth the time you are wasting over here ESPECIALLY when she is a UG.
 

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My guess is that you demonstrated how Obsessive, Needy, Desperate, and needing Female Attention that you sent her running.
Man, there are so many things wrong here and with you, if I were you, I'd forget about this one and get a hobby and transmute some of that neediness and desperation.
 

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Interceptor said:
My guess is that you demonstrated how Obsessive, Needy, Desperate, and needing Female Attention that you sent her running.
Man, there are so many things wrong here and with you, if I were you, I'd forget about this one and get a hobby and transmute some of that neediness and desperation.
Amen to that. From the second you started sending her texts you made yourself easily available and easy to manipulate. Don't let them do it.
 

SparkleMotion

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She doesn't have any issues.

You came off as being extremely needy, desperate, and boring.

Don't try to contact her so much. Sounds like you tried to escalate too fast without being enough comfort. Also does it not seem weird to send messages belittling her for not answering your phone calls and texts, when you have no real relationship with her? Women don't respond well to anger, especially from men they barely know.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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wildleopard

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thanks for the response..
i thought i was not responding to her so much to not act desperate.. but ive been told by most of you that im coming across as very desperate and needy..
well.. can you tell me what actions could i have taken from day one instead of what i actually did? its just that she did a lot of physical contact which encouraged me to go for it sensing high interest..
secondly.. if i dont reply to her.. how can i trust her if she asks me to come to so and so club when she has clearly not come across as trustworthy earlier..

and additionally.. what steps can i take now to get her in bed.. which may be possible or may be not..

thanks
mark
 

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Since you know about her routine, I can recommend two things:

1.Stop trying to communicate with her. LET HER CHASE YOU.

If you're asking how she would be made to chase you, the answer is simple:

2.Let her see you with another girl. She will be jealous, especially if the girl is a 4. She's going to think: "What has she got more than me?". It works, man.
 
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