"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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A 22 year old girl told me something that made me feel really crappy.

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She had sex between 15,000 and 20,000 times since losing her virginity at 14. She included all the times she had sex with her boyfriends, FWBs, and random flings. She admits to being way above average because she loves sex and often do it 3 or 4 times a day.

She guesstimates that an average 21 year old girl probably had sex no less than 1000 times, probably more like 2000 - 3000 times.

I don't know how we got into the conversation, but it sure made me feel like sh*t. I had sex less than 50 times in my entire life and I'm in my mid-twenties.

I wouldn't feel like sh*t if I experienced having sex with a girlfriend multiple times per day for a couple years. Now, whenever I see a girl, all I can think about is how many times she ****ed her last boyfriend. Ugh! My whole game is ****ed up now. I know girls love sex, but the whole idea of a girl having sex thousands of times by the time she's in her early twenties makes me feel depressed. If I wasn't an AFC and had one or two relationships, I would be on an even playing field. But just knowing that even if I become 10 times better with women now, almost every girl I hook-up with will be far ahead of me.

Has anyone else ever thought about this stuff? Especially if you got good in the game at a late age?

And do you think most attractive girls (HB6.5+) have ****ed thousands of times?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Sorry bro, but you're a moron.

She's obviously full of ****. Let's look at the math, shall we?

14-22 is 8 years. 365 days a year * 8 years = 2920 days, let's say 3000 for the hell of it.

Do you HONESTLY believe that she had sex an average of 5-7 times a day EVERY DAY for 8 years? That means if she misses a day to stay on track she'd need to do 10-14 times the next day. Come on man, either she's ****ing minute men or she has absolutely no life because that would eat up 3 + hours a day, every day, not even counting how long it would take the guy to recover in between there.

Yes, 50 times is a bit low for somebody your age, I've done it maybe 1000 times. But regardless, it's not really a competition and you need to work on your critical thinking skills if you believed her.

Now is her estimate wrong for the average girl? I think it's a bit high, but if somebody spends a few years in solid relationships where they get laid on average every day, that would bring you above 1000, so that's not unreasonable. What does it matter though? It doesn't mean they're 20 times better than you, sex like everything has a learning curve. You probably learn 10 times more about how to do it in 0-50 times than in the next 1000.

Stop worrying about how many times she or anyone else has had sex, and enjoy the fun process of raising your own number.
 

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Personally I'm not surprised. I'm in my mid twenties too and have had sex 0 times. But I don't obsess over it or allow it to make me insecure. It is what it is. The honest truth (which you can't escape and have to accept) is that women can get sex much easier than us guys. Chances are that you'll never catch up or pass the count of average women, so don't let it get to you.
 

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TKool said:
And do you think most attractive girls (HB6.5+) have ****ed thousands of times?
Being attractive doesn't mean you're sitting around f**kin all day. Some attractive girls are s1uts. Others aren't.

It's stupid to take this story from one girl and use it to judge ALL women.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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SmoothTalker said:
Do you HONESTLY believe that she had sex an average of 5-7 times a day EVERY DAY for 8 years? That means if she misses a day to stay on track she'd need to do 10-14 times the next day. Come on man, either she's ****ing minute men or she has absolutely no life because that would eat up 3 + hours a day, every day, not even counting how long it would take the guy to recover in between there.
I didn't have a calculator out when she was telling me this, but now that you've done actual math...it's not likely.
 

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slaog said:
It made you feel bad because you believe wrongly that having lots of sex makes you a better person. Its just a false belief of yours.
I don't think it would make me a better person, but a better sexual person.

I'll probably never hook-up with a virgin and learn the ropes with her. So, a girl that's been in a relationship and done it every which way would grow bored of me since I'm far less experienced.
 

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TKool said:
I don't think it would make me a better person, but a better sexual person.

I'll probably never hook-up with a virgin and learn the ropes with her. So, a girl that's been in a relationship and done it every which way would grow bored of me since I'm far less experienced.
Wow. You're full of ridiculous theories aren't you?

Throughout the course of dating, you'll find people who will be more experienced than you and less sexually experienced than you. It's not a deal-breaker. Someone might have had sex 20x more than you, and still be awful at it. And some girl who only had 1 boyfriend before you might be great.

This isn't piano-playing we're talking about. "Practice makes perfect" doesn't necessarily apply to sex.

But keep giving yourself reasons to doubt yourself. It's doing wonders for you.
 

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I'd be less concerned with how many times she's had sex, and more concerned with how many guys she's had sex with.
 

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Iceberg said:
This isn't piano-playing we're talking about. "Practice makes perfect" doesn't necessarily apply to sex.

But keep giving yourself reasons to doubt yourself. It's doing wonders for you.
I haven't thought of it that way.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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...and how is she supposed to keep "count" of that? I admire the girl for being an honest slvt. Does she also brag about her STDs too?
 

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Move on and start fuccking more girls.
 

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corrector said:
...and how is she supposed to keep "count" of that? I admire the girl for being an honest slvt. Does she also brag about her STDs too?
She basically claimed whether she had a boyfriend or ****buddy, she had sex no less than 3 times a day since she was 14. Now that I think about it, that's nowhere near 15,000 times. It's closer to 9,000 times.

As someone else has said, the average girl has more sex than the average guy. I gotta accept that fact.
 

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She had sex between 15,000 and 20,000 times since losing her virginity at 14
Prostitution is a tough job, man. Her vagina must be labeled bio-hazard level 5 from all the STDs that have been brewing in there. I would not even touch her with a hazmat suit.
 

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Like Smoothtalker said, there's no way in hell she's had sex that many times, it's bs, and it doesn't matter anyway. You should better pick and choose what is going to bother you and occupy your mind.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Who cares how many times you've had sex? It's not a race to see who can get the highest number. You're putting too high a value on sex itself, realize that what's more important than people wanting to **** you is liking yourself. Be comfortable with yourself, and don't stress.
 

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I had a gf once who had 4 partners before me, but not had sex more than 10 times total. At the time I had sex 0 times, but she had learned nothing, was an awful lover at first, and I had to show her how to do some things! We hit it alot over the years and while I learned so much (and now women tell me I could be a porn star) she was not much better than when we started.

It's all relative, and everybody is different. I was her best, we're not together now, but she still says I am, and she has never had it like she got from me. Your time will come.
 

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Definit Bullshyt.

I had more sex with my ex girlfriend than ALL her ex boyfriends put together, her qoute - "I've never had this much sex with one person with all my ex's put together"

But she was great in bed. The average girl has more sex than the average guy? really, where is the source for this claim?
 

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First of all, she's full of shyt. Do you really think she's kept track of something she's done more than a hundred times? Im 34, I've praobably had sex less than a thousand times, but really, I have no idea, because I lost count YEARS ago. I mioght, add, that I am probably ten times better at math than she is, is she's so busy fvcking that she cant do anything else in her life. She backwardsly thinks its cool to have fvcked so many times.

Which leads me to the following point. This chick is a worthless hor, and you should have nothing to do with her other than busting a nut on her face. She's obviously lying about her number, but that in itself is a HUGE red flag. And since you're posting about her here, means you are hung up on her. That means the only answer is to forget al about this hor, and find another three.
 

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I don't give two sh*ts about this girl. She's not my type.

The real reason why her comments affected me (not necessarily her sex history, but the comment about most girls) because I never did the deed with one person dozens or hundreds of times.

I have this mental complex that a girl will know I don't have experience and she won't stick around because to give me experience.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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