90% Men are Invisible

[HaleyBaron]

You bring up something excellent...men who do well with women, especially those who don't use online dating or as an enhancement or supplement to the women they meet in real life, have a totally different experience from men who struggle with women. The biggest takeaway I've noticed after years on the forum the guy's who claim to struggle because of looks, women being highly demanding, feminism etc. When you dig deeper, those guys do not have access (or think they don't) to women outside of online dating, tend to not have social circles (im not even talking about one with women in them but even just guy friends) or hobbies, and tend to have the most issues.

If you go outside you see regular guys with regular girls or you may even see a guy who is average-looking with a hot girl. 90% chance he didn't meet her online and most likely via social circle, etc.

There is a reason why in 2026 guys who do well with women tell men to have hobbies like salsa or ballroom dancing or even running clubs etc. Because once you get out there, you realize it's not all doom and gloom. There are guys who are average and have no issues dating and it's simply because they have active, fulfilling lives.

Though you are correct about armchair online warriors versus people out in the real world, I would not discount the status of those "normal men" you are giving too much credit for. Currently, we live in a society where there is a lot more people who are hooking up from online interactions. In prior years, the most you saw of that was from a couple meeting online through some mmo like World of Warcraft. These days, everyone is doing it no matter the online format.

Second, I don't agree entirely with the people about which men struggle with getting women and do not. I do not immediately assume all the men in a relationship currently do NOT have the same struggles as the those who are not. Why? Cause I am one of them. I think women are highly demanding and feminism is ruining everything. Yet I have no problem getting laid. I can be aware of the problem and still get women. I hold women to a higher standard, but the difference is that I can afford to do it because I can be alone without any woman. I don't need pvssy that much, or a woman around me 24/7 to validate me. On the other side of the coin, normal men in relationships tend to lean toward bluepill mentality. They don't complain about the same things cause they do not see it happening. The way a woman manipulates him or his female peers.

Kevin Samuels was the same way, God rest his soul. He one of the biggest redpill guys on the internet, and all the women who argued or hated him also wanted to be with him and **** him. So those bad boys, they can also be us, and on average, are. Pimps, criminals, drug dealers, a lot of them know female nature already. It's called being knowledgeable enough to survive, and women are just as much of a lion as any cop.

 

[Solomon]

Second, I don't agree entirely with the people about which men struggle with getting women and do not. I do not immediately assume all the men in a relationship currently do NOT have the same struggles as the those who are not. Why? Cause I am one of them. I think women are highly demanding and feminism is ruining everything. Yet I have no problem getting laid. I can be aware of the problem and still get women. I hold women to a higher standard, but the difference is that I can afford to do it because I can be alone without any woman. I don't need pvssy that much, or a woman around me 24/7 to validate me. On the other side of the coin, normal men in relationships tend to lean toward bluepill mentality. They don't complain about the same things cause they do not see it happening. The way a woman manipulates him or his female peers.

You are misrepresenting or misinterpreting my argument; the men who struggle don't even have the option of getting laid. If you're getting laid and don't like women's behavior, that's a lot of us. If you're getting laid and want a relationship, that's not even the struggle I'm addressing. I was talking about men who aren't getting laid, aren't getting dates etc. There tons of those. I think we all agree on the forum here that women's behavior is out of line currently I'll be the first to say

and I know Kevin Samuels Very well as I worked with him BEFORE and WHILE he was blowing up so you're preaching to the choir

 

[Gamisch]

Its funny how I keep reading posts on reddit from men saying they dont get any matches. So I'm always being honest and tell them : you're not attractive enough bruh!

Ofcourse I get a truck load of shyte for saying that. But thats simply the truth. Most men are not attractive enough to be successful online.

And the conundrum is that most men go online to AVOID rejection, untill it dawns down on them that after 3 months of powerswiping and getting no results that THOUSANDS of cute, fat ,old, ect women have rejected them! ( again thats @We_ArE_VeNOM best qoute).

I3m in a couple of arguments with women callihg me an azzhole for telling dudes they should ditch the apps because they're not attractive enough. But it will be thise same women who WONT date those men!!! Yet women talk to these dudes with this " you go girl!" tone of voice.

Like a different bio will yield better results LOL.

The game is ruthless. Build yourself up so you are ready to " get lucky" instead of believing in fairytales!!

 

[BaronOfHair]

@Gamisch
"Its funny how I keep reading posts on reddit from men saying they dont get any matches. So I'm always being honest and tell them : you're not attractive enough bruh!

Ofcourse I get a truck load of shyte for saying that. But thats simply the truth. Most men are not attractive enough to be successful online"

Yeah, relatively few of us bristle when informed:

"A dearth of desirable skills + Not being prepared for a job interview have left you unhireable at even f-cking Burger King"

We generally adopt behaviors different than our current ones, when we desire employment that's both cushier AND more well-paying than digging ditches in Alberque, the middle of June

It's mind-boggling that so many of us pretend that dating and mating is any different

 

[MatureDJ]

Whenever people post this "women have the advantage" stuff, they fail to understand that the world is 1:1 gender balanced. That means, there's literally someone for everyone.

The problem is that women will go into "dating limbo" (as True Forced Loneliness prophet "Roller" Steve Hoca would put it) when they can't find a Chad, only coming out when Chad shows up - and this is not counting the chicks that unknowingly, or even knowingly, are in Chad's harem. They will either get knocked up by a Chad, and try to shame men to being stepfathers - or age into harridans that ask the question "where are all the men at?".

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

And the conundrum is that most men go online to AVOID rejection, untill it dawns down on them that after 3 months of powerswiping and getting no results that THOUSANDS of cute, fat ,old, ect women have rejected them! ( again thats @We_ArE_VeNOM best qoute).

I'm glad it resonated with you.

Its true.

With OLD..

A chick swiping past you = rejection.

A chick leaving you on read = rejection.

Those things^ are just less damaging to your ego/pride/self esteem, than a woman telling you to your face "Sorry, im not interested" on a cold approach (CA).

And that's what the real fear is.

And to quote ARC, when he was speaking on how he was able to..

1. Be rejected by so many women

and also how he was able to..

2. Sleep with so many women

"Because I don't fear rejection. I simply don't fear it. Now, that doesn't mean that I like rejection, because I don't. But I don't fear it".

That mentality alone is...APEX thinking.

 

[tksniper]

I'm glad it resonated with you.

Its true.

With OLD..

A chick swiping past you = rejection.

A chick leaving you on read = rejection.

Those things^ are just less damaging to your ego/pride/self esteem, than a woman telling you to your face "Sorry, im not interested" on a cold approach (CA).

And that's what the real fear is.

And to quote ARC, when he was speaking on how he was able to..

1. Be rejected by so many women

and also how he was able to..

2. Sleep with so many women

"Because I don't fear rejection. I simply don't fear it. Now, that doesn't mean that I like rejection, because I don't. But I don't fear it".

That mentality alone is...APEX thinking.

Great post. Getting laid is the same as making sales. You need to embrace rejection. It's a numbers game. Back when I was the number 7 salesman for Verizon in the entire country, someone asked me what my secret was and I told him "I can't wait to get 50 rejections because from that, I'm going to make more money than all of you combined."

The same way, if I go out in the field and get 50 rejections, I'll probably end up with more women than I have time for.

The only things you need in game and business are 2 things: knowing what to say and being in a good state. When you are "in state", the things you say gets amplified. It's going to hook every woman or client. But when you are out of state, everything you say is repulsive..

The million dollar question is how does one constantly achieve a state of being "on" all the time.

 

[zekko]

There is a reason why in 2026 guys who do well with women tell men to have hobbies like salsa or ballroom dancing or even running clubs etc. Because once you get out there, you realize it's not all doom and gloom. There are guys who are average and have no issues dating and it's simply because they have active, fulfilling lives.

Having environments where you can meet women is a big piece of the puzzle in itself. There are ways around it, but if you can meet women organically it makes a lot of difference.

 

[UK manc]

The million dollar question is how does one constantly achieve a state of being "on" all the time.

I think just accept you are not going to be?

Absolutely great timing today in the gym...Just finished legs, and got up to do a few curls when a girl passed I've been wanting to talk to. Said hi...The problem was I was half way to fainting