90% Men are Invisible

[Mike32ct]

Yes we know the average or below average looking guy is invisible to hot women.

But this is why such guy often thinks he’s invisible to all women:

Even if some below average looking chick secretly likes him, he will likely never know about it.

Her attraction to him is understandably not that strong. So her IOIs will be nonexistent or more likely weak and near impossible to distinguish from friendliness or common courtesy.

So he is effectively “invisible” to all women, even if it’s not 100% strictly true.

TLDR: It’s not enough to be “attractive” to someone. You have to be attractive “enough” for that person to make it obvious. Otherwise, you can’t do anything with it.

 

[Solomon]

we don’t care what the bottom ones do. there’s a lot of things low quality girls would do, regarding how they text , how they treat u, their personality etc etc that shouldn’t be mixed in with the higher tier girls

I like your post. Don't take it personally, just a bit of pushback for the sake of discussion. But what makes a girl "higher tier" quality? Is it just looks? Cause if it is, some of the hottest chicks I've dealt with were insufferable, shallow, manipulative, drama queens, or just batshyt crazy etc. A lot of the top of the top(HOT) chicks never fully developed a personality that makes anything beyond ONS or STR sustainable. I will never tell a man to get with an unattractive chick. However, compatibility, even if it's a plate or STR is important something I think isn't talked about enough on here. Some of us aren't trying to bang all the hot chicks we can; some of us are cool with just having 1

I think a 7 who is feminine, sweet, kind, and catering to her man is far superior to a smokeshow 10 who is rude with an attitude. One of the issues the seduction and red pill community has is equating women's beauty with higher quality. Anyone who has dated hot women knows that isn't always the case.

 

[Velasco]

what makes a girl "higher tier" quality? Is it just looks? Cause if it is, some of the hottest chicks I've dealt with were insufferable, shallow, manipulative, drama queens, or just batshyt crazy

for sake of simplicity, in this thread, i equate quality with looks. high quality = hot. low quality = ugly. however, we all know that marrying a girl solely based off her looks is a recipe for disaster.

but if we start talking about “quality” with a girl that already has that baseline high physical attractiveness, then yes that’s much much rarer and something i talked about in the thread below:

Quality vs quantity

As I've gotten older I've grown to care far less about "getting pvssy" and more about honing in on the best woman I can find. Specifically, high interest women who make it easy for you, who are agreeable, eager to please, young, sexy, and good in bed. That's all I want and probably all that any...

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[Bigpapa]

I think a 7 who is feminine, sweet, kind, and catering to her man is far superior to a smokeshow 10 who is rude with an attitude. One of the issues the seduction and red pill community has is equating women's beauty with higher quality. Anyone who has dated hot women knows that isn't always the case.

I think that this idea that less hotter women have a better character/ personality than those whom are hotter is mainly nonsense

from my experience, the better looking someone is the more socialized she is and thus the better character

it is a matter more of upbringing than anything else

 

[BaronOfHair]

Yes we know the average or below average looking guy is invisible to hot women.

May be an astute move for such a fellas to at least APPEAR more than average then. This isn't even a problem unique to men:

The hottest actresses in Tinseltown and most supermodels have overwhelmingly undergone plastic surgery of some sort, both early in their careers in order to gain traction in the industry + Later on, in order to maintain their looks

 

[Bigpapa]

May be an astute move for such a fellas to at least APPEAR more than average then. This isn't even a problem unique to men:

The hottest actresses in Tinseltown and most supermodels have overwhelmingly undergone plastic surgery of some sort, both early in their careers in order to gain traction in the industry + Later on, in order to maintain their looks

yeah, well noted

if you take out the makeup from women, actually you will notice that most of the girls that we perceive as hot are actually not that hot

For example Sydney Sweeney, with the makeup and right tight clothes she looks very hot

but if you strip the makeup and the tight clothes, she is an average girl in terms of looks

this is also the reason on why I kinda stopped night game many years back, because during night game most women wear extensive makeup

and the next day you would actually realize that the girl that you were like “ can’t believe that this hottie is coming back to my place “ is actually just meh

and most likely you would not have actually try to seduce her during day

 

[The Duke]

I think that this idea that less hotter women have a better character/ personality than those whom are hotter is mainly nonsense

from my experience, the better looking someone is the more socialized she is and thus the better character

it is a matter more of upbringing than anything else

The more attractive she is the more society caters to her, the less she develops social skills that help navigate life. Why should she, she can rely on her looks. Hang around pretty girls and see all the special attention and freebies they get. They get their drinks comped at bars often. They get in for free. Rich dudes give them credit cards and fly them nice places and many don't even have to drop their panties. They get moved to the front of the line. It creates entitled wh0res.

 

[plumber]

The more attractive she is the more society caters to her, the less she develops social skills that help navigate life. Why should she, she can rely on her looks. Hang around pretty girls and see all the special attention and freebies they get. They get their drinks comped at bars often. They get in for free. Rich dudes give them credit cards and fly them nice places and many don't even have to drop their panties. They get moved to the front of the line. It creates entitled wh0res.

it can go both ways. depends much on the parents of the woman and what they did with her. i have seen some 8+, that are the best... and some that really are the worst. the best types often live in different circles than the worst ones.

 

[Velasco]

the best types often live in different circles than the worst ones

this is very true. birds of a feather flock together. look at who her friends are and that will tell you who she is. my own’s friends from high school/who she grew up with all got into to several different prestigious ivy league schools across the country. i think that’s a better metric than how she was raised because parents can only do so much. my brother and sister are complete opposites (they’re friend group reflects this) despite being raised in the same household under the same mom and dad.

 

[Prepostereax]

this is also the reason on why I kinda stopped night game many years back, because during night game most women wear extensive makeup

and the next day you would actually realize that the girl that you were like “ can’t believe that this hottie is coming back to my place “ is actually just meh

 

[BaronOfHair]

if you take out the makeup from women, actually you will notice that most of the girls that we perceive as hot are actually not that hot

Even beautiful women are ultimately still... Well, human, and thus sport physical "flaws". Amanda Seyfried's bug eyes and Christy Turlington's mild overbite would be but two examples

 

[zekko]

Even beautiful women are ultimately still... Well, human, and thus sport physical "flaws". Amanda Seyfried's bug eyes and Christy Turlington's mild overbite would be but two examples

I remember seeing Seth McFarland's movie "100 Million Ways to Die in the West", and there was a running joke that Amana Seyfried looked like Gollum. I thought wow, that Seth McFarland is clever, he's completely negated her looks by making fun of her and comparing her to a twisted, emaciated hobbit-like creature.

Later, I found out (much to my surprise) that Seth McFarland was considered to be quite hottie among men.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Cause if it is, some of the hottest chicks I've dealt with were insufferable, shallow, manipulative, drama queens, or just batshyt crazy etc.

Any woman from 9-10 range is basically monetized, and they live completely different lives than the average man. Most guys mistake 8s-8.5s as 10s because they haven't truly seen a 10, especially if your location isn't a major US city that attracts hot women.

 

[zekko]

Any woman from 9-10 range is basically monetized, and they live completely different lives than the average man. Most guys mistake 8s-8.5s as 10s because they haven't truly seen a 10, especially if your location isn't a major US city that attracts hot women.

10s don't exist.

 

[BadBoy89]

I really think men are only invisible to young hot women in their 20s. Anything outside of that, if the man is average, and has working equipment, the woman will make a strong move on him.

So men, similar to the advice society gives hot young women to not walk alone at night as its unsafe; my advice is, don't be alone with 45 year old single mothers as its unsafe.

 

[Bigpapa]

Even beautiful women are ultimately still... Well, human, and thus sport physical "flaws". Amanda Seyfried's bug eyes and Christy Turlington's mild overbite would be but two examples

There are also truly beautiful women or good looking , just not as many as we like to think

 

[BaronOfHair]

There are also truly beautiful women or good looking , just not as many as we like to think

Yeah, and whatever natural attributes we possess, no one looks as hot without primping

 

[Solomon]

it is a matter more of upbringing than anything else

This I can't disagree with at all and it tracks with my experince as well

 

[CornbreadFed]

10s don't exist.

They do exist, but you won’t ever see them because they live in a different reality than the average person. True 10s are recruited quickly by rich men to do _____(fill in the blank). In addition, true 10s aren't on the same 9-5 schedule we are on either. I know a 10, and she doesn't work a normal job, she is always being flown out to Dubai, Singapore, etc, and she literally acts like a spoiled celebrity.

 

[Solomon]

They do exist, but you won’t ever see them because they live in a different reality than the average person. True 10s are recruited quickly by rich men to do _____(fill in the blank). In addition, true 10s aren't on the same 9-5 schedule we are on either. I know a 10, and she doesn't work a normal job, she is always being flown out to Dubai, Singapore, etc, and she literally acts like a spoiled celebrity.

I cannot speak for everyone else but for me a woman cannot be a 10 if she is insufferable, rude, selfish, manipulative, or crazy etc. I know the conversation is mainly about looks but I have always factored personality into the rating. There is nothing more draining than a hot woman with a dimwit personality who is also shallow. Looks alone stop mattering fast when the attitude is that bad.