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8000 deserters during Iraq war

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We are not speaking about Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the coming Iran. We are solely focused on Iraq war. Forthermore we are solely speaking of U.S. military forces.

# of deserters from Iraq war according to mainstream media is 8000+.

I will not provide you with specific links, because research requires many sources. Simple google search "how many deserters iraq war"

So, strength of U.S. military in Iraq 112,000..... 8,000 out of that number is how many percent? 7 soldiers out ot of 100 deserted.
 

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Not surprising ...

It's one thing to sign up to serve your country, its quite another to be baited into doing so and then in reality going over to fight a corporate imperial war of conquest and occupation against a population that doesn't want you there.

Most of the 8,000 deserted in the USA, and at least half from Army. No doubt they probably signed up for the college benefits and 'free money' and didn't understand the gravitas of what it means to serve ones country irrespective of ones personal feelings.

I would have joined the military already had my countries not been engaged in wars I disagree with. Hence, I don't sign the dotted line. If I sign, then I go where they tell me to and thats all there is to it.

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Its really a non-issue though.
 

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goblin123 said:
Zeitgeist (2007) is the movie you want to watch

F U.... Invasion started in 2003.

This is what idiots that want some information supressed do. They go ahead and stick their alien and UFO bull**** in, so that other idiots that come along go and think .......ha, another UFO story....

7% desertering rate in United States army, that's no X-file.
 

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What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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backseatjuan said:
F U.... Invasion started in 2003.

This is what idiots that want some information supressed do. They go ahead and stick their alien and UFO bull**** in, so that other idiots that come along go and think .......ha, another UFO story....

7% desertering rate in United States army, that's no X-file.
UFO, aliens ?! wtf are you talking about?
 

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Ok, let's take belt's fall back article

November 08, 2011
Agence France-Presse

The U.S. Army's desertion rate dropped sharply in the past year to the lowest point since the Vietnam war, a welcome relief which experts believe is thanks to a sputtering economy, better recruits and the drawdown of U.S. forces in Iraq.

"The Army right now is in a place where it can be very selective of the Soldiers that it recruits," said Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Steve Warren "and because of that we are bringing into the Army the very best that America has to offer."

Despite a patriotic surge in the wake of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the Army had trouble keeping its ranks filled amid the intense pressures of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The desertion rate actually jumped in the wake of the attacks, with 4,399 Soldiers fleeing their posts in 2001, and began to rise as Iraq unraveled in 2005 and 2006.

It peaked during the 2007 surge to 4,698 troops, which was just under one percent of the service rolls and the Army's highest desertion rate since records became available in 1970.

A 2002 Army report found that the number of deserters and AWOL Soldiers usually rises in wartime as more demands are placed on troops and enlistment standards are lowered -- something that happened as Iraq careened into chaos.

Those deserting also rose amid programs like "stop-loss," an Army program that kept thousands of GIs on active duty after their commitment expired during part of the Iraq war.

Another factor could be that the Army was forced to loosen its recruitment standards by expanding the admission of felons, high school drop outs and recruits with the lowest scores.

That changed in 2008 when the U.S. economy fell into the deepest economic downturn in decades.

Just 1,202 Soldiers were dropped from the service's rolls after being labeled deserters in fiscal year 2010, which ended September 30. The number is down by nearly third from the 2009 total of 1,717 troops and is the lowest percentage for desertion since 1973.

While the economy plays a role in driving recruits and troop retention, desertion is often more complex and personal, said Bernard Trainor, who led Marine recruiting in the Northeast from 1974-1976 and co-wrote an acclaimed history of the Iraq invasion.

"The economy has got to be a player, but it's not the 100-percent factor, and I don't know what the other percentage is because there's a lot of other motivations that attract or drive people into the military," Trainor told AFP.

"Therefore, with them being more selective, they're getting a better-quality guy and that automatically is going to lower the dissatisfaction rate and, with it, the desertion rate."

University of Maryland military sociologist David Segal studied the phenomenon with researcher D. Bruce Bell in the 1970s.

He said Soldiers deserting during Vietnam generally did so because of financial or family problems, or because they could not adjust to life in the military.

Vietnam's bitter legacy and the early years of a volunteer military led to a force beset by drug abuse, racial strife and poor-quality trainees.

Evidence of trouble in the ranks was borne out virtually every week as FBI agents brought Marine deserters to Trainor's Garden City, New Jersey headquarters. "We found the Vietnam-era deserters to look like World War II and Korean War deserters," he said. "They tended to be young, unmarried, less well educated, in lower mental-aptitude categories, in less-skilled military occupations, and in the lowest pay grades."

It was not uncommon for the wayward troops to say they ran from their posts because of fears over violence -- and even being killed by other Marines.

"Most of the deserters were the bums, the slime, but there was a significant percentage of people that deserted at that time because the quality of life and the leadership was so bad in their perception, and for them, it was a rational decision," Trainor told AFP.

Today's Soldiers are older, better educated, and more likely to be married and holding more-skilled occupations than their draftee and early-volunteer force counterparts, said Segal, the military sociologist.

The Army also has an array of programs to help Soldiers and their families deal with financial and social issues that did not exist during the Vietnam era.

The Army classifies Soldiers as deserters after they have been absent without leave for a month. The bulk are typically lower-ranking GIs who have not finished their first year of duty.

Soldiers deserting in times of war can be executed. But a review of Army judicial records shows that just 1,213 desertion cases were tried from 1990 to 2007, averaging slightly more than 71 a year.

Over that time, at least 43,810 deserted.

"The normal way you get rid of them is with an administrative separation called a Chapter 10, a discharge in lieu of court-martial," said one-time Army lawyer Geoffrey Corn, a professor at South Texas College of Law in Houston.

"It's a plea agreement."


It just says desertion rate dropped. Show me please where it says to what number it dropped? hahahaha It's an army propaganda piece.

During Soviet war in Afghanistan, 10 year period at that, desertion number was less than 500 for the whole ten years.

Soldiers don't want to fight a war they don't need, that's one of the causes.
Another one is that a lot of soldiers fight for an U.S. citizenship. (from Mexico, Africa, etc.)

Anyway you take that so called "drop in desertion" rate, it's measured in thousands. That's not counting contractors. Anyway you put it, U.S. is incapable fighting a serious war. Sure U.S. can come over, drop a few bombs, cut down some poorly organized local militias. But a well armed enemy that can control the air, the sea, has tanks with better armor and range?
 

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Bible_Belt said:
8,000 desert during Iraq war
in bed with Putin and printing whatever anti-American story they can find?

I must admit I ignored this at first, but then lol'ed during my daily routine. Let's talk about this.

Putin made Russia strong. YOU Sir hate strong Russia. You're just too used to American leaders making America weaker. America has gotten weaker ever since Bush, ever since 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia on the other hand, got stronger ever since our leaders took themselves into their hands.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not anti American and pro Russian. We have plenty of problems with corruption here to be 100% pro Russian and pro Putin. I love U.S. constitution, and would have stayed in United States and made my American dream there if not for your government being 100% opposite of the principles written in U.S. constitution. As it stands right now, there is more freedom and opportunity in Russia now than in United States. Living in Russia I can be 100% sure that my own government won't crash planes into a building I'm at.

Why so many deserteers in U.S. army? Weak principles. Weak reasons it goes to war. Morality of soldiers does not allow them to kill innocent populus for money or U.S. citizenship.
 

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backseatjuan said:
America has gotten weaker ever since Bush, ever since 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan.
America became weaker because of Bush and his cronies. It was perfectly fine before everyone decided to piss away billions on stupid wars... with absolutelly nothing to show for it. You know who won? The defence contractors. The people lost, the soldiers lost, the iraqis lost and anything and everything "accomplished" there has dissapeared in a matter of weeks. If anything it created even more hatred towards America.

Post 9/11 was a special time. There was much empathy towards America, everyone had goodwill and felt awful about what happened and that goodwill was pissed away.

Why so many deserteers in U.S. army? Weak principles. Weak reasons it goes to war. Morality of soldiers does not allow them to kill innocent populus for money or U.S. citizenship.
Why deserters? Desperate people looking for a way out. The army pays for college if you do your tour of duty. You have many young men volunteering because the economy is **** and jobs are not easily found.

They're not weak, they're just not soldiers. They're regular people putting on a costume and dying overseas looking for a way out of poverty. Nothing weak about that.
 
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